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Re: Null ALT in Office

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From: Elle
Date: May 30, 2013 6:49PM


Just a note - alt text is supported now in Mac versions of MS Word and
PowerPoint.

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On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 7:48 PM, Whitney Quesenbery < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:

> Office 2011 + a maintenance release was the first version to support alt
> text. It's pretty consistent, in the US version: right click on any sort of
> object and you get a format option, and Alt Text is the last item in the
> format pane menu.
>
> I've never been cheered when I told a training class that they needed an
> update before, but in one case, someone was thrilled because they finally
> had a strong reason why they absolutely positively had to have the new
> version.
>
> Now, if they would just make the Mac versions produce tagged PDF files.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Cliff Tyllick < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >wrote:
>
> > Pratik, that's true, and the interface in Word 2010 might even depend on
> > whether you're editing a 2007 .docx versus a 2010 .docx. (I haven't
> tested
> > that carefully.)
> >
> > In Office 2007, the place for adding alt text was generally under "Size,"
> > but as I recall it did vary based on the type of item. Pictures were
> > different from Clip Art which were different from Charts which were
> > different from… and so on.
> >
> > And before I said to put an empty space between the quotes—I think I'm
> > recalling Word 2007 or even 2003, where just an empty space (no quotes)
> was
> > the kludgy fix. In Word 2010 (all of Office 2010), it's two double
> > quotes—""—just as Jukka said.
> >
> > Which, of course, doesn't get converted to the appropriate tagging when
> > the document is saved as either HTML or PDF. And that's why I consider
> this
> > method to be not just an afterthought, as Jukka has noted, but also a
> hack.
> >
> > To further the complications, Word for Mac OS has a different code base,
> > which is not a bad thing in itself. But Microsoft gives that as the
> reason
> > that alt text is not supported at all in Office 2008 for Mac. (I don't
> know
> > about later versions.)
> >
> >
> > Indeed, I haven't yet heard of a word processor for Mac OS that does
> offer
> > the ability to associate alt text with illustrations.
> >
> > Cliff
> >
> >
> >
> > > > From: Pratik Patel < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > To: 'WebAIM Discussion List' < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 9:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Null ALT in Office
> >
> >
> > Here is another wrinkle in the Word alt attribute story. You will notice
> > that the menu item is different depending on whether you're editing the
> > older .doc type document or the newer .docx type document.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jukka K.
> > Korpela
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 10:03 AM
> > To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Null ALT in Office
> >
> > 2013-05-29 15:20, Whitney Quesenbery wrote:
> >
> > > A small correction: you don't have to select "size" but "format
> > > picture" (or shape or object). Alt text is in the format panel in all
> of
> > > the Microsoft Office products
> >
> > When I wrote about selecting "size", it was actually based on
> > back-translating from the Finnish text in the version of MS Word 2007
> > I'm using, in a situation where I had inserted an image from a file.
> > This could be a localization difference. But in the same version, if I
> > add e.g. a ClipArt image, then the contextual menu (right-click menu)
> > does not have a "size" entry, but it has a "format" entry (well, the
> > Finnish language equivalent).
> >
> > So MS Office isn't very consistent in the way the alt text can be added.
> > And in both of these cases, this function is in a menu that otherwise
> > deals with the visual appearance of the image (and is named according to
> > that). I think this is because adding alt text has been added as an
> > afterthought rather than a well-planned feature.
> >
> > Yucca
> >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>
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