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turning off style sheets


From: Lori K. Brown
Date: Oct 25, 2002 11:41AM

Dear list:

I often see responses that are couched in terms of "what if style
sheets are turned 'off'." I have two questions about this:

1) For the browsers I know, (IE, some Opera, NN old and new,
Mozilla), one doesn't so much turn stylesheets 'off', as much as one
substitutes one's own preferences in a given area (larger text, high
contrast colors, etc.) Is there in fact a way to turn stylesheets
OFF entirely in modern browsers, or is it always a case of
substituting some or all of one's own preferences into a local

2) Besides accessibility / colorblindness type issues, is there a
good reason why a user might be doing this? I'm not trying to be
snotty, I just honestly want to understand if there's a specific
need being addressed.

3) As long as this is hardcore requirement, isn't CSS-positioning
completely off the table, or is 'graceful degradation' acceptable?

If the only reason to bend over backwards to create presentation
solutions that don't fall over when style sheets are removed is that
edge-condition nitpickers are going to give you a hard time for it,
I will be hard to persuade that it's worth the additional effort.

Lori Kay Brown
User Interface Engineer
SiteScape, Inc.

-------- Original Message --------

==> From: "Leo Smith" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
==> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 14:21:04 -0400


Jukka's suggestion is a good one that should work for you, even if
users do not have style sheets enabled. Essentially, all that you
are hiding with the CSS is the bullet. If CSS is off, then you will
simply get the bullet followed by the section (2)(i) which you will
enter textually.

You are preserving the structural markup of a list (albeit an
unordered versus an ordered one), whilst getting the presentation
that you are looking for, with the addition of a bullet when style
sheets are switched off - not a big deal.

My 2 cents...


On 24 Oct 2002, at 10:08, Glenda Watson Hyatt wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion, Jukka. However, what happens when a
uses > is not viewing with stylesheets and thus can't find
subsection (2)(i)? > I guess I will stick with invalid markup [<p>
within a <li>], till I > can find a better solution. > > Cheers, >
Glenda > > > As a workaround, though, you might consider using <ul>
markup with > > the numbers as explicit content, and a CSS rule that
suggests > > suppression of bullets: <style type="text/css"> ul li {
> > list-style-type: none; } </style> > > ... > > <ul> > > <li>(1)
foo > > <li>(2) bar > > </ul> > > > > --

Leo Smith Web Designer/Developer USM Office of Publications and
Marketing University of Southern Maine 207-780-4774

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