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From: Moore,Michael (DARS)
Date: Apr 22, 2015 7:31AM


A final thought, you have to have the language installed on the screen reader for it to know how to pronounce the words in the provided language.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator,
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
(512) 424-4159 (Office)
(512) 574-0091 (Cell)


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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Moore,Michael (DARS)
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2015 8:30 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] lang attribute for foreign words found in Merriam Webster's dictionary?

Another thing to keep in mind is that when you use a screen reader you get used to the way it butchers certain words so when we cleverly trick the screen reader into pronouncing something correctly we are delivering unexpected behavior.

Mike Moore
Accessibility Coordinator,
Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
(512) 424-4159 (Office)
(512) 574-0091 (Cell)


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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Cliff Tyllick
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 4:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] lang attribute for foreign words found in Merriam Webster's dictionary?

Mike, I'll let the grammarians and usage nuts knock themselves out determining when a borrowed phrase becomes part of the language that borrows it.

From the standpoint of accessibility, there are two reasons for tagging a phrase with its human language:
• To help the software know which dictionary to use for spellchecking and, if requested, definitions.
• To determined which pronunciation rules should be used.

Often borrowed phrases lose both. So the best reference for pronunciation will be the same resource used for the rest of the page.

But if the reader should hear the phrase pronounced according to the rules of its own language, then you'll want to wrap the phrase in the tags for that language.

The point is, people who are listening to screen readers should hear the phrase pronounced in a familiar way. If the term is from French and always pronounced as in French, then wrap it in tags that identify it as French.

But, as is usually the case for many procedural terms used by our Texas Legislature, it might have come from Latin but you'd never be able to tell it by the way it's pronounced. To have any chance for the screen reader to produce the familiar sound, you'd have to leave those marked up as English.

Cliff Tyllick

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> On Apr 21, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Mike Warner < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> as I'm going though the WCAG Checklist, I saw this:
>
> Individual words in another language that could be understood
> incorrectly or not at all are marked up using the lang attribute.
>
> What if the foreign words are in common English dictionaries? We
> don't use many, mainly in our art and culture courses, and the words
> all have accessible glossary spans next to them.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
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