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Re: Query in relation to Web Page order when you cannot see the page.

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From: Sean Murphy
Date: Oct 17, 2015 6:37PM


Cliff,

Your point is valuable and isn't really the main thrust of my question I raised. I should have phrased it better. The focus is for someone who cannot see and is performing the accessibility testing. EG: Me.

As I do not know the visual layout, how do you validate that the tab order as you move through the page isn't starting at the top left hand corner, then jumps to the middle of the page and then jumps to the right top hand corner? My assistive technology might treat it in a sequential order.

Sean





> On 17 Oct 2015, at 11:18 pm, Cliff Tyllick < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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> Sean, it's important to keep in mind that we need our Web content to be accessible to everybody—not just to people who are blind, and not just to people who have a single disability.
>
> Imagine the person who must use keyboard navigation with screen magnification. Will they be able to find the spot that has focus after focus has moved outside their magnified view?
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> The tab order must make sense to them, too.
>
> Cliff Tyllick
> Texas Department of Assistive and Rehabilitative Services
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> Although its spellcheck often saves me, all goofs in sent messages are its fault.
>
>> On Oct 16, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Cousins, Earl < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
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>> Hi Sean,
>>
>> One of the ways you can check reading order is by disabling CSS on the page (via various developer plugins etc.) and checking if the resulting list of elements are in a logical and intended order. This would be the default order that elements would accept focus (visual keyboard users) and in which screen readers would announce the content.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>>
>> Earl Cousins | Accessibility Technical Analyst
>> >>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sean Murphy [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2015 9:12 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Query in relation to Web Page order when you cannot see the page.
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>> This is a general query to leverage the more experience people on this list to get ideas.
>>
>> When I look at the logical flow of a web page. I perform the following tasks:
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>> 1. Use the tab and shift tab keys and record which elements receive focus.
>> 2. Use the Virtual cursor of the screen reader such as Jaws to identify which elements that should receive focus are not in the tab order.
>>
>> The only challenge I have with the above is how do you know if the items are in a logical order as the non-vision impaired user would see it. EG: Information on the left side of the screen, on the right and in the middle or isn't this a issue, as long as the information to the vision impaired user is in a logical order?
>>
>> Sean
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