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From: KP
Date: May 9, 2017 2:12PM

Slightly cheeky perhaps but company is a way more likely guess than Colorado unless you happen to be in CO. Then again CO is clearly different to Co.

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> On 10/05/2017, at 05:53, Mallory < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> JAWS will read out abbrs, but only if you turn that on (as I have). This
> because calendars, ug.
>
> When an SR who doesn't know the abbr sees something that *could* be
> pronounced as a word, such as MA (say, for Massachussettes), it'll say
> it as a word ("ma" is a valid word). For those it can't see as a word,
> like "NV", it'll usually read the letters separately.
>
> Bryan Smart among others have been complaining publicly about
> VoiceOver's special terribleness with abbreviations-- apparently, and
> without the user being able to change this, it'll substitute what it
> thinks are abbreviations with whatever it assumes the full word is. One
> example (which I thing Bryan said they've since fixed) was the CO (such
> as in "Denver, CO") would always convert to "company". Apparently there
> are several of these and most are not fixed nor fixable by users. This
> is worse than not saying anything other that the letters on the screen.
>
> The NVDA not exposing (or having that I could find a place to turn on
> abbrs) is old and there may already be a bug filed. If not then it would
> be great to file one.
>
> Currently on some of our STEM classes we sometimes have some
> instructions for students "turn on abbreviations in your screen reader's
> settings" (as well as "turn up your verbosity for the following section"
> (because mathz)).
>
> cheers
> Mallory
>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017, at 05:48 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>> Good points.
>> Ultimately it comes down to better support for CSS3 speech support:
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-speech/
>>
>> Webpage authors should be able to have some control over how text is
>> spoken, just like they have some control over how a page is displayed.
>> We don't want to give the authors too much control, because users need
>> to be able to override it (just like they can override most CSS style
>> seets with their own).
>>
>>
>>> On 5/9/17, Graham Armfield < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> This is complicated because some abbreviations are intended to be read out
>>> as individual letters - acronyms like BBC - wheres some abbreviations are
>>> supposed to read out as a word - example Gen. for General. Additionally,
>>> some acronyms are commonly read out as if they were a word - examples UCAS,
>>> CAMRA, NASA.
>>>
>>> We no longer have the <acronym> tag, just the <abbr> element. So getting
>>> screen readers to read them out correctly with just the <abbr> tag with the
>>> title attribute is a real challenge.
>>>
>>> Last time I tried the <abbr> tag with NVDA, it didn't give any audible
>>> evidence that an abbreviation was present.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Graham Armfield
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> >> >> >> > > > >