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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: May 9, 2017 2:18PM

This is why the acronym ACE for Accessibility Center of xcellence is
so neat .. it's either cool or descriptive, depending which way it is
pronounced.
We'd prefer it to be both, but at least ACE is a word.


On 5/9/17, KP < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Slightly cheeky perhaps but company is a way more likely guess than Colorado
> unless you happen to be in CO. Then again CO is clearly different to Co.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 10/05/2017, at 05:53, Mallory < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> JAWS will read out abbrs, but only if you turn that on (as I have). This
>> because calendars, ug.
>>
>> When an SR who doesn't know the abbr sees something that *could* be
>> pronounced as a word, such as MA (say, for Massachussettes), it'll say
>> it as a word ("ma" is a valid word). For those it can't see as a word,
>> like "NV", it'll usually read the letters separately.
>>
>> Bryan Smart among others have been complaining publicly about
>> VoiceOver's special terribleness with abbreviations-- apparently, and
>> without the user being able to change this, it'll substitute what it
>> thinks are abbreviations with whatever it assumes the full word is. One
>> example (which I thing Bryan said they've since fixed) was the CO (such
>> as in "Denver, CO") would always convert to "company". Apparently there
>> are several of these and most are not fixed nor fixable by users. This
>> is worse than not saying anything other that the letters on the screen.
>>
>> The NVDA not exposing (or having that I could find a place to turn on
>> abbrs) is old and there may already be a bug filed. If not then it would
>> be great to file one.
>>
>> Currently on some of our STEM classes we sometimes have some
>> instructions for students "turn on abbreviations in your screen reader's
>> settings" (as well as "turn up your verbosity for the following section"
>> (because mathz)).
>>
>> cheers
>> Mallory
>>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017, at 05:48 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>>> Good points.
>>> Ultimately it comes down to better support for CSS3 speech support:
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-speech/
>>>
>>> Webpage authors should be able to have some control over how text is
>>> spoken, just like they have some control over how a page is displayed.
>>> We don't want to give the authors too much control, because users need
>>> to be able to override it (just like they can override most CSS style
>>> seets with their own).
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 5/9/17, Graham Armfield < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>> This is complicated because some abbreviations are intended to be read
>>>> out
>>>> as individual letters - acronyms like BBC - wheres some abbreviations
>>>> are
>>>> supposed to read out as a word - example Gen. for General. Additionally,
>>>> some acronyms are commonly read out as if they were a word - examples
>>>> UCAS,
>>>> CAMRA, NASA.
>>>>
>>>> We no longer have the <acronym> tag, just the <abbr> element. So getting
>>>> screen readers to read them out correctly with just the <abbr> tag with
>>>> the
>>>> title attribute is a real challenge.
>>>>
>>>> Last time I tried the <abbr> tag with NVDA, it didn't give any audible
>>>> evidence that an abbreviation was present.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Graham Armfield
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Work hard. Have fun. Make history.
>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >
> > > > >


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