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Re: Jaws dropping the ball on ARIA landmarks?


From: Bryan Garaventa
Date: May 29, 2018 10:46AM

There is an open issue about this at

Bryan Garaventa
Accessibility Fellow
Level Access, Inc.
415.624.2709 (o)

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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2018 9:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Jaws dropping the ball on ARIA landmarks?

Aah, thanks Jonathan! I was not aware of this setting.
Incidentally, navigation landmarks are announced in this setting as well (in addition to the main landmark) but nothing else.
I believe the header and footer landmarks should always be announced, regardless of setting, but I can see the argument for other landmark region types.

On 5/29/18, Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Hi Birkir, this is the new web verbosity setting which is set to
> medium by default. These landmarks are only announced in the highest value.
> Jonathan
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> Subject: [WebAIM] Jaws dropping the ball on ARIA landmarks?
> I recently upgraded to Jaws 2018 and noticed that most ARIA landmarks,
> including the banner, contentinfo and region and complementary
> landmarks, with or without an accessible name) , are now ignored.
> I am seeing this in IE, Chrome and Firefox.
> I will create an issue for this as a Beta Tester and in the Jaws web
> compatibility bug tracker, but I think this is a large enough concern
> that I should post it here for awareness and feedback.
> One of my favorite Jaws features has been its handling of landmark
> regions, announcing their beginning and end when pages are explored in
> browse mode, enabling users to jump past them with the > key.
> But in Jaws 2018 only the main region shows upin browse mode. Other
> regions are available in the regions sortcut jawsKey-alt-r but are not
> displayed in bows mode, including the banner and contentinfo.
> This is a vastly inferior experience as the boundries of those regions
> are not properly communicated this way, only the start, plus the
> shortcut is not intuitive.
> This makes landmark regions a lot less useful as a Jaws user
> navigation aid.
> I know landmarks are amuch under utilized navigation aid for screen
> reader users (I am concerned by this as they are much more consistent
> than headers on wellformed pages and are an easy consistency indicator
> to code (landmark region roles can generally be added to templates).
> Whatever the reason, I think removing support for landmarks is not the
> way to go.
> I am hoping this is a bug, though I don't understand why such a bug
> was not noticed and filed earlier. If it is a conscious decision I
> think it needs to prompt a larger discussion of the purpose of
> landmarks in general.
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