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Re: [External Sender] Title Attribute Issue

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From: Steve Green
Date: Aug 30, 2019 9:40AM

It depends on their level of proficiency. Experienced screen reader users are happy to tab between fields in forms. They know they are likely to miss any instructions that are in the form, but it's still quicker to tab through and fix any errors after. By contrast, inexperienced users are more likely to use virtual cursor mode because they worry more about the things they might miss.

Steve


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Good catch Steve. I wonder if these buttons are in forms. I doubt if anyone is filling out forms without using the tab key.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 11:22 AM Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> aria-describedby suffers from the same problem that Jim reported,
> insofar as screen readers will announce the value of the attribute
> when you tab to the button but they will not announce it in virtual cursor mode.
>
> If you want to ensure that the information is announced when tabbing
> and also in virtual cursor mode, you need to use some form of hidden
> text that is included in the button's name. Critics will say this
> approach is very old school, but it works and there's actually nothing wrong with it.
>
> FWIW, this isn't likely to be an NVDA issue - I would expect the same
> behaviour in other screen readers.
>
> Steve Green
> Managing Director
> Test Partners Ltd
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>
> Support for the title element is spotty, so I do not recommend relying
> on it. Better to use aria-describedby set to the ID of an element
> containing the desired text. You don't have to call out the button for
> use of the title element, but you can for missing instructions.
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:58 AM Jim Homme < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm encountering a situation in which I see buttons NVDA reads the
> > Title attribute for when I tab to them, but not when I arrow to them.
> > The site uses the title attribute to explain more information when
> > focus or hover is on the buttons. I feel that NVDA should read the
> > Title attributes, since it drags focus to the buttons when the user
> > arrows. I've read all sorts of negative stuff about using the Title
> > attribute, but I feel that if this is an NvDA issue, I should not
> > fail these buttons for having a Title attribute. They fail for not
> > having descriptive names, but that is a different thing. Am I
> > thinking
> correctly here?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Jim
> >
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