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Re: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes

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From: Howard Kramer
Date: Jan 30, 2020 7:06PM

Also, I've heard so often that text boxes were completely inaccessible I
was just surprised that it worked at all.

-Howard

On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 7:05 PM Howard Kramer < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Thanks Karen. I think that explains it. So the main issue seems to be when
> copying or converting the content to a different format, not the reading of
> the slides in PPT. I just want to make sure I understand all the benefits.
>
> -Howard
>
> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 5:13 PM Karlen Communications <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
>> Accessibility comes into play when you need to create a braille or large
>> print copy of the presentation. When you save the presentation as an
>> outline or RTF and add accessible structure to the text, you will have to
>> copy and paste everything that is in a tex box into the RTF/Word doc. Using
>> the default accessible placeholders saves you time and is just good
>> practice.
>>
>> Yes, I can read content in text boxes in PowerPoint with my screen reader
>> but why delete the accessible placeholders to put text boxes in their place
>> when you can modify the available layouts or create your own and save you
>> time you beef an alternate format.
>>
>> I can send you a sample of what I mean in the morning and give you a call
>> if you like.
>>
>> Cheers, Karen
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> > On Jan 30, 2020, at 6:13 PM, Howard Kramer < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Seems to also work with JAWS.
>> >
>> > -Howard
>> >
>> >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Howard Kramer < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> wrote:
>> >> Thanks Susan! Good to know.
>> >>
>> >> -Howard
>> >>
>> >>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 3:17 PM Susan Kelmer <
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> >>> Well, that's interesting! NVDA is always making advancements, unlike
>> Jaws, and they may have solved this puzzle.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> However, if a screenreader user is using Jaws, then there will still
>> be a problem as Jaws won't read (or even see) those text boxes.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Susan Kelmer
>> >>>
>> >>> Alternate Format Production Program Manager
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>> >>> From: athen-list < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On
>> Behalf Of Howard Kramer
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 3:00 PM
>> >>> To: Access Technology Higher Education Network <
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>> >>> Subject: [Athen] Powerpoint, screenreaders and text boxes
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I've been playing around with PowerPoint (2013 for Windows) and NVDA.
>> It's always been emphasized not to use text boxes and instead to use the
>> slide layouts but I notice that NVDA reads the text boxes without problem
>> although you may need to rearrange the order in the selection pane. I can
>> see that the text boxes are missing from the outline view but I can't see
>> to get NVDA to read that pane in any case.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Does the admonition against text boxes still apply?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Howard
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Howard Kramer
>> >>>
>> >>> Conference Coordinator
>> >>>
>> >>> Accessing Higher Ground
>> >>>
>> >>> 303-492-8672
>> >>>
>> >>> cell: 720-351-8668
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >> --
>> >> Regards,
>> >> Howard
>> >>
>> >> Howard Kramer
>> >> Conference Coordinator
>> >> Accessing Higher Ground
>> >> 303-492-8672
>> >> cell: 720-351-8668
>> >>
>> >> Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster,
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>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Regards,
>> > Howard
>> >
>> > Howard Kramer
>> > Conference Coordinator
>> > Accessing Higher Ground
>> > 303-492-8672
>> > cell: 720-351-8668
>> >
>> > Join us for the Accessing Higher Ground Conference in Westminster,
>> Colorado, Nov 16-20, 2020. Request for proposals will be announced late
>> February.
>> >
>> > Complete program information and registration is open for our full
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>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Howard
>
> Howard Kramer
> Conference Coordinator
> Accessing Higher Ground
> 303-492-8672
> cell: 720-351-8668
>
> Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
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>
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--
Regards,
Howard

Howard Kramer
Conference Coordinator
Accessing Higher Ground
303-492-8672
cell: 720-351-8668

Join us for the *Accessing Higher Ground Conference
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