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From: chagnon@pubcom.com
Date: Aug 10, 2020 2:22PM

I've found that the term "Caption" is used to mean many things by different
people.
With tables, people often call the table's summary a caption.

And then there is a real paragraph of live body text that appears before or
after the table, similar to photo captions.

In academic publishing, this paragraph of text is called "prefatory text"
and appears between the title and the actual table (or figure/image). Was
developed long before HTML and found to be the best method to inform and
educate readers...before they encounter the table or figure.

The terms caption and summary should be cleared up by the industry...and
standardize across all media: HTML, PDF, EPUB, whatever.

In our testing, we prefer explanations (a k a prefatory text) so that it is
available to all users, not just those using text-to-speech such as screen
readers.

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From: WebAIM-Forum < <EMAIL REMOVED> > On Behalf Of
Brandon Keith Biggs
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 4:14 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Using ARIA grids

Hello,
I am able to get the row and column numbers when entering the table.
You're right, I'm not seeing how to add a caption to the table. I avoid
captions, as I find them rather annoying, and put the information in the
text above the table, but it should be extremely easy to add a caption
property. If you open an issue at:
https://github.com/vaadin/vaadin/issues
I think it should be added pretty quickly.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;


On Mon, Aug 10, 2020 at 12:58 PM bobby accessibility <
<EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Hi Brandon,
>
> Thanks for the Table structure you have provided in the shared link, I
> have checked this and found its not following the basic properties of
> Table- like , No caption was there , when I navigated to the Table no
> matrix (table structure Rows* Columns) was introduced to screen reader.
>
> Also I am keen to know, is this responsive ? will it work same for
> desktop as well as on smart devices (mobile , Tab etc)
>
> I have tested this on FF 79 using NVDA 2020.0.1
>
> Appreciate your reply on my queries.
>
> Thanks & Regards
> Bob
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:56 AM Brandon Keith Biggs <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> > Look at:
> > https://vaadin.com/components/vaadin-grid/html-examples
> > Their grid allows both table key command navigation as well as
> > cursor navigation through the cells. I believe their table also scrolls.
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>;
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 1:49 PM Don Mauck < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> > > We have developers who for reasons such as continuous scrolling
> > > from
> the
> > > bottom using ARIA Grid controls since apparently tables do not
> > > allow
> for
> > > automatic scrolling. So, are there ways to use grids using table
> commands
> > > in the same way?
> > >
> > > Currently Grids don't even show up as any of the JAWS form
> > > elements and you can only use cursor keys within the Grid. This
> > > really limits the
> JAWS
> > > user from having any kind of pleasant experience with these grids.
> > > Are there ways to make these grids more usable to a screen reader?
> Especially
> > > since ARIA-Grid is out there and has several table attributes.
> > > Thank in advance for reading and maybe giving this some thought.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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