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Re: Intro and question


From: Mary Martinson Grossnickle, Martinson Training
Date: Jun 23, 2004 2:00PM

Another caution in developing a separate version is that many times the
separate version is developed for screen reader users. This is not the only
disability community who use the web. So a separate "accessible" site might
not be truly accessible, it could end up just being a screen reader version.
The site might still be inaccessible for other audiences.

A resource which might help, especially if you need to justify your decision
*not* to maintain two sites, is "Myth: Just Add a Text-Only Version" in
"Understanding Web Accessibility" in the book "Constructing Accessible

"Constructing Accessible Websites" by Jim Thatcher, Cynthia Waddell,
Shawn Henry, Sarah Swierenga, Mark Urban, Michael Burks, Paul Bohman,
Publisher: APress; Reprint edition (July 14, 2003), ISBN: 1590591488

-----Original Message-----
From: jill.lenz [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:34 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Intro and question

From another developer's perspective on maintaining two versions . . .
been there, done that. Don't do it.

Follow Michael's advice of using XHTML/CSS. It's the way to go these
days. There's lots of good tutorials out there on the subject.

michael wrote:

> One a side note (from a developer's perspective) if you have two separate
> sites, it is just going to take you twice the amount of time to maintain
> twice the amount of chance of error (updated page on main site but not the
> secondary site etc.)
> I honestly don't see why you would have a problem in developing a visually
> pleasing site that is also steadfast accessible especially if you use the
> right tools and plan ahead. With the majority of the browsers support for
> and rendering of XHTML/CSS being stronger, you will be able to keep the
> presentation separate from content pretty well which in turn allows you to
> manipulate the visual side via CSS and create semantically correct content
> which should transport well within both visual browsers and text based
> browsers and readers.
> HTH with giving you some other viewpoints on what you will face when and
> you choose two separate sites. And apologies for going a bit off topic on
> your question.
> Michael Goddard
> Internet Developer/Programmer, CIW
> TDH Marketing &amp; Communications, Inc.
> 8153 Garnet Drive
> Dayton, OH. 45458
> phone: 937.438.3434
> fax: 937.438.3453
> email: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> web: http://www.tdh-marketing.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: honorsgurl [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Intro and question
> Hello,
> I've been lurking on this list for a little while and have learned a lot
> from reading your posts. Thanks!
> I've done a little web design in the past, but now I'm responsible for
> developing the site for our program at the university, and I'm very
> committed to making the site fully accessible. I have much still to learn
> on this topic.
> In considering accessibility, my first thought was to create one
> graphics-intense site (the main site) and one low-graphics site, linking
> the accessible site from the main site.
> However, in reading some things on the web about this idea, I discovered
> that some people consider this approach demeaning to those who will use
> accessible site--sort of as if one population of web users is restricted
> using a _back door_ to enter the site. Naturally, I do not want to offend
> or demean anyone who uses our site.
> My ultimate goal is to create a single website that satisfies both the
> desire of a visually-oriented population to access a cutting edge website
> and the desire of those who are vision impaired or have other
> issues to be able to access the site's content. But that will take me
> awhile to accomplish (if ever!), and I must get this website built as soon
> as possible, as the current site is a disaster from many standpoints, not
> the least of which is utter inaccessibility.
> Can anyone give me some insight as to the feelings of the disabled web
> community about separate, accessible sites? Does this population really
> feel demeaned when using these sites? Would you advise that I avoid the
> two-site approach?
> Thank you in advance for any input!
> Beth Hanes
> Office Manager
> University Honors Program
> MSC06 3890
> 1 University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001
> (505) 277-4213
> http://www.unm.edu/~honors
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Jill Lenz
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Colorado State University
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