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From: Katharine Whitelaw
Date: Jun 24, 2004 9:22AM


Check out the CSS Zen Garden at www.zengarden.com . There are dozens of
beautiful and accessible web designs on this site. When you construct
your site using CSS, separating presentation from content, there is no
need for two sites.

Katy Whitelaw

>>> <EMAIL REMOVED> 6/23/2004 3:03:14 PM >>>

Another caution in developing a separate version is that many times
the
separate version is developed for screen reader users. This is not the
only
disability community who use the web. So a separate "accessible" site
might
not be truly accessible, it could end up just being a screen reader
version.
The site might still be inaccessible for other audiences.

A resource which might help, especially if you need to justify your
decision
*not* to maintain two sites, is "Myth: Just Add a Text-Only Version"
in
"Understanding Web Accessibility" in the book "Constructing Accessible
Websites."

"Constructing Accessible Websites" by Jim Thatcher, Cynthia Waddell,
Shawn Henry, Sarah Swierenga, Mark Urban, Michael Burks, Paul Bohman,
Publisher: APress; Reprint edition (July 14, 2003), ISBN: 1590591488

-----Original Message-----
From: jill.lenz [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:34 AM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Intro and question



From another developer's perspective on maintaining two versions . .
..
been there, done that. Don't do it.

Follow Michael's advice of using XHTML/CSS. It's the way to go these
days. There's lots of good tutorials out there on the subject.

michael wrote:

> One a side note (from a developer's perspective) if you have two
separate
> sites, it is just going to take you twice the amount of time to
maintain
and
> twice the amount of chance of error (updated page on main site but
not the
> secondary site etc.)
>
> I honestly don't see why you would have a problem in developing a
visually
> pleasing site that is also steadfast accessible especially if you use
the
> right tools and plan ahead. With the majority of the browsers
support for
> and rendering of XHTML/CSS being stronger, you will be able to keep
the
> presentation separate from content pretty well which in turn allows
you to
> manipulate the visual side via CSS and create semantically correct
content
> which should transport well within both visual browsers and text
based
> browsers and readers.
>
> HTH with giving you some other viewpoints on what you will face when
and
if
> you choose two separate sites. And apologies for going a bit off
topic on
> your question.
>
> Michael Goddard
> Internet Developer/Programmer, CIW
> TDH Marketing &amp; Communications, Inc.
> 8153 Garnet Drive
> Dayton, OH. 45458
> phone: 937.438.3434
> fax: 937.438.3453
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> web: http://www.tdh-marketing.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: honorsgurl [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:59 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: [WebAIM] Intro and question
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I've been lurking on this list for a little while and have learned a
lot
> from reading your posts. Thanks!
>
> I've done a little web design in the past, but now I'm responsible
for
> developing the site for our program at the university, and I'm very
> committed to making the site fully accessible. I have much still to
learn
> on this topic.
>
> In considering accessibility, my first thought was to create one
> graphics-intense site (the main site) and one low-graphics site,
linking
to
> the accessible site from the main site.
>
> However, in reading some things on the web about this idea, I
discovered
> that some people consider this approach demeaning to those who will
use
the
> accessible site--sort of as if one population of web users is
restricted
to
> using a _back door_ to enter the site. Naturally, I do not want to
offend
> or demean anyone who uses our site.
>
> My ultimate goal is to create a single website that satisfies both
the
> desire of a visually-oriented population to access a cutting edge
website
> and the desire of those who are vision impaired or have other
accessibility
> issues to be able to access the site's content. But that will take
me
quite
> awhile to accomplish (if ever!), and I must get this website built as
soon
> as possible, as the current site is a disaster from many standpoints,
not
> the least of which is utter inaccessibility.
>
> Can anyone give me some insight as to the feelings of the disabled
web
> community about separate, accessible sites? Does this population
really
> feel demeaned when using these sites? Would you advise that I avoid
the
> two-site approach?
>
> Thank you in advance for any input!
>
> Beth Hanes
> Office Manager
> University Honors Program
> MSC06 3890
> 1 University of New Mexico
> Albuquerque, NM 87131-0001
> (505) 277-4213
> http://www.unm.edu/~honors
>
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