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Re: Intro and question


From: Rachael Zubal
Date: Jun 24, 2004 9:49AM

Very good example. CSS can be made to allow for a simple, HTML
version without all the work involved. We're working with a new web
designer who has this in mind so that we can make a nice, pleasant looking site
while at the same time making our content completely accessible. the Zen
garden site is amazing, too! I've seen many of the designs and am astouded
by the beauty.

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06/24/04 11:24AM >;>;>;Check out the CSS Zen Garden at <A
href="http://www.zengarden.com/">www.zengarden.com . There are dozens
ofbeautiful and accessible web designs on this site. When you
constructyour site using CSS, separating presentation from content, there is
noneed for two sites.Katy Whitelaw>;>;>;
<EMAIL REMOVED> 6/23/2004 3:03:14 PM >;>;>;Another caution in
developing a separate version is that many timestheseparate version is
developed for screen reader users. This is not theonlydisability
community who use the web. So a separate "accessible" sitemightnot be
truly accessible, it could end up just being a screen readerversion.The
site might still be inaccessible for other audiences.A resource which
might help, especially if you need to justify yourdecision*not* to
maintain two sites, is "Myth: Just Add a Text-Only
Version"in"Understanding Web Accessibility" in the book "Constructing
AccessibleWebsites.""Constructing Accessible Websites" by Jim
Thatcher, Cynthia Waddell,Shawn Henry, Sarah Swierenga, Mark Urban, Michael
Burks, Paul Bohman,Publisher: APress; Reprint edition (July 14, 2003), ISBN:
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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:34 AMTo: WebAIM Discussion
ListSubject: Re: [WebAIM] Intro and questionFrom another
developer's perspective on maintaining two versions . ..been there, done
that. Don't do it.Follow Michael's advice of using XHTML/CSS. It's the
way to go thesedays. There's lots of good tutorials out there on the
subject.michael wrote:>; One a side note (from a developer's
perspective) if you have twoseparate>; sites, it is just going to take
you twice the amount of time tomaintainand>; twice the amount of
chance of error (updated page on main site butnot the>; secondary site
etc.)>;>; I honestly don't see why you would have a problem in
developing avisually>; pleasing site that is also steadfast accessible
especially if you usethe>; right tools and plan ahead. With the
majority of the browserssupport for>; and rendering of XHTML/CSS being
stronger, you will be able to keepthe>; presentation separate from
content pretty well which in turn allowsyou to>; manipulate the visual
side via CSS and create semantically correctcontent>; which should
transport well within both visual browsers and textbased>; browsers
and readers.>;>; HTH with giving you some other viewpoints on what
you will face whenandif>; you choose two separate sites. And
apologies for going a bit offtopic on>; your question.>;>;
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Subject: [WebAIM] Intro and question>;>;>;>;
Hello,>;>; I've been lurking on this list for a little while and
have learned alot>; from reading your posts. Thanks!>;>;
I've done a little web design in the past, but now I'm
responsiblefor>; developing the site for our program at the
university, and I'm very>; committed to making the site fully accessible.
I have much still tolearn>; on this topic.>;>; In
considering accessibility, my first thought was to create one>;
graphics-intense site (the main site) and one low-graphics
site,linkingto>; the accessible site from the main
site.>;>; However, in reading some things on the web about this
idea, Idiscovered>; that some people consider this approach demeaning
to those who willusethe>; accessible site--sort of as if one
population of web users isrestrictedto>; using a _back door_ to
enter the site. Naturally, I do not want tooffend>; or demean anyone
who uses our site.>;>; My ultimate goal is to create a single
website that satisfies boththe>; desire of a visually-oriented
population to access a cutting edgewebsite>; and the desire of those
who are vision impaired or have otheraccessibility>; issues to be able
to access the site's content. But that will takemequite>; awhile
to accomplish (if ever!), and I must get this website built assoon>;
as possible, as the current site is a disaster from many
standpoints,not>; the least of which is utter
inaccessibility.>;>; Can anyone give me some insight as to the
feelings of the disabledweb>; community about separate, accessible
sites? Does this populationreally>; feel demeaned when using these
sites? Would you advise that I avoidthe>; two-site
approach?>;>; Thank you in advance for any input!>;>;
Beth Hanes>; Office Manager>; University Honors Program>;
MSC06 3890>; 1 University of New Mexico>; Albuquerque, NM
87131-0001>; (505) 277-4213>; <A
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