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From: julian.rickards@ndm.gov.on.ca
Date: Jun 24, 2004 9:55AM









Recognize that not all of the designs on
CSSZenGarden.com are accessible - some used the FIR technique, colour contrast
may be suspect on some. However, CSSZenGarden.com does show that CSS can be
employed to create wonderful, awe-inspiring designs and, with the avoidance of
some techniques, CSS and HTML can create both accessible content and beautiful
design.

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and question
Very good example. CSS can be made to allow for a simple, HTML
version without all the work involved. We're working with a new web
designer who has this in mind so that we can make a nice, pleasant looking
site while at the same time making our content completely accessible.
the Zen garden site is amazing, too! I've seen many of the designs and
am astouded by the beauty.

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"I will permit no man to narrow and degrade my soul by making me hate
him."--Booker T. Washington>;>;>; <EMAIL REMOVED>
06/24/04 11:24AM >;>;>;Check out the CSS Zen Garden at <A
href="http://www.zengarden.com/">www.zengarden.com . There are
dozens ofbeautiful and accessible web designs on this site. When you
constructyour site using CSS, separating presentation from content, there
is noneed for two sites.Katy Whitelaw>;>;>;
<EMAIL REMOVED> 6/23/2004 3:03:14 PM >;>;>;Another caution in
developing a separate version is that many timestheseparate version is
developed for screen reader users. This is not theonlydisability
community who use the web. So a separate "accessible" sitemightnot be
truly accessible, it could end up just being a screen
readerversion.The site might still be inaccessible for other
audiences.A resource which might help, especially if you need to
justify yourdecision*not* to maintain two sites, is "Myth: Just Add a
Text-Only Version"in"Understanding Web Accessibility" in the book
"Constructing AccessibleWebsites.""Constructing Accessible
Websites" by Jim Thatcher, Cynthia Waddell,Shawn Henry, Sarah Swierenga,
Mark Urban, Michael Burks, Paul Bohman,Publisher: APress; Reprint edition
(July 14, 2003), ISBN: 1590591488-----Original Message-----From:
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Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:34 AMTo: WebAIM Discussion
ListSubject: Re: [WebAIM] Intro and questionFrom another
developer's perspective on maintaining two versions . ..been there,
done that. Don't do it.Follow Michael's advice of using XHTML/CSS.
It's the way to go thesedays. There's lots of good tutorials out there on
the subject.michael wrote:>; One a side note (from a
developer's perspective) if you have twoseparate>; sites, it is just
going to take you twice the amount of time tomaintainand>; twice
the amount of chance of error (updated page on main site butnot
the>; secondary site etc.)>;>; I honestly don't see why you
would have a problem in developing avisually>; pleasing site that is
also steadfast accessible especially if you usethe>; right tools and
plan ahead. With the majority of the browserssupport for>; and
rendering of XHTML/CSS being stronger, you will be able to keepthe>;
presentation separate from content pretty well which in turn allowsyou
to>; manipulate the visual side via CSS and create semantically
correctcontent>; which should transport well within both visual
browsers and textbased>; browsers and readers.>;>; HTH
with giving you some other viewpoints on what you will face
whenandif>; you choose two separate sites. And apologies
for going a bit offtopic on>; your question.>;>; Michael
Goddard>; Internet Developer/Programmer, CIW>; TDH Marketing &amp;amp;
Communications, Inc.>; 8153 Garnet Drive>; Dayton, OH.
45458>; phone: 937.438.3434>; fax: 937.438.3453>; email:
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>;>;>; -----Original Message----->; From: honorsgurl
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Wednesday, June 23, 2004 12:59 PM>; To: WebAIM Discussion List>;
Subject: [WebAIM] Intro and question>;>;>;>;
Hello,>;>; I've been lurking on this list for a little while and
have learned alot>; from reading your posts. Thanks!>;>;
I've done a little web design in the past, but now I'm
responsiblefor>; developing the site for our program at the
university, and I'm very>; committed to making the site fully
accessible. I have much still tolearn>; on this
topic.>;>; In considering accessibility, my first thought was to
create one>; graphics-intense site (the main site) and one low-graphics
site,linkingto>; the accessible site from the main
site.>;>; However, in reading some things on the web about this
idea, Idiscovered>; that some people consider this approach
demeaning to those who willusethe>; accessible site--sort of as
if one population of web users isrestrictedto>; using a _back
door_ to enter the site. Naturally, I do not want tooffend>; or
demean anyone who uses our site.>;>; My ultimate goal is to create
a single website that satisfies boththe>; desire of a
visually-oriented population to access a cutting edgewebsite>; and
the desire of those who are vision impaired or have
otheraccessibility>; issues to be able to access the site's content.
But that will takemequite>; awhile to accomplish (if ever!), and
I must get this website built assoon>; as possible, as the current
site is a disaster from many standpoints,not>; the least of which is
utter inaccessibility.>;>; Can anyone give me some insight as to
the feelings of the disabledweb>; community about separate,
accessible sites? Does this populationreally>; feel demeaned when
using these sites? Would you advise that I avoidthe>; two-site
approach?>;>; Thank you in advance for any input!>;>;
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