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Re: Non-existent Alt-text voiced in PDF

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From: Colleen Gratzer
Date: Mar 6, 2023 6:52AM

These are Adobe Illustrator files imported into InDesign.


On 3/6/23 8:33 AM, Philip Kiff wrote:
> One more long shot:
>
> I wonder if the non-decorative icons you're working with are SVG files
> originally? It is possible to include alternative text directly in the
> XML code that generates the actual SVG file. Such alternative text is
> optional in the file format, and so some icons may have it while others
> don't. And so maybe NVDA and JAWS are actually reading the alternative
> text from the file, regardless of how else the image is tagged....Seems
> unlikely, but worth checking.
>
> Phil.
>
> On 2023-03-05 20:39, Colleen Gratzer wrote:
>> Thanks, Philip. I checked that too just in case.
>>
>> But I did notice that If I change the list to P tags in the PDF, then
>> they voice fine. Now that is even stranger!
>>
>>
>> On 3/5/23 7:56 PM, Philip Kiff wrote:
>>> Mmm....that stumps me, too.
>>>
>>> Long shot: one thing you might check is that the alternative text /
>>> actual text you hear in NVDA and JAWS is not being picked up from the
>>> list item's Label tag or a bullet image nested inside the Label tag
>>> (if either exist), or from the parent tag of the P tag inside the
>>> list item - like the LBody tag?
>>>
>>> Phil.
>>>
>>> On 2023-03-05 11:44, Colleen Gratzer wrote:
>>>> I'm hoping to get some insight on an issue I am having.
>>>>
>>>> I've got a page with a few different non-decorative icons. Some are
>>>> inside P tags and some inside a list.
>>>>
>>>> They all have actual text applied, which was previously applied as
>>>> Alt-text. The Alt-text was removed.
>>>>
>>>> I've confirmed in the tag properties in the PDF that there is no
>>>> Alt-text.
>>>>
>>>> NVDA and JAWS voice only the actual text for the icons *inside P
>>>> tags* but they read the actual text *and* previously applied
>>>> Alt-text for the icons *inside the list. *
>>>>
>>>> I have renamed the files with every check in case Acrobat was
>>>> caching the file content.
>>>>
>>>> I have restarted Windows. I have restarted Acrobat. I have tested
>>>> this on 2 different computers.
>>>>
>>>> Again, I confirmed that there is no Alt-text set on these icons,
>>>> even in the tag properties.
>>>>
>>>> I am stumped.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Colleen Gratzer
>>>> Creative Boost and Gratzer Graphics
>>>> https://creative-boost.com
>>>> https://gratzergraphics.com
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > >