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Re: Expanding Table rows - Can this be made accessible?

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From: Dean.Vasile@outlook.com
Date: Jun 4, 2023 12:08PM

Is a JAWS user
I would be curious as to have that experience actually is with the screen reader

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> On Jun 4, 2023, at 2:01 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> Yeap, we've been implementing similar table patterns in my web
> development area recently.
> Insert the extra info in the next row in the table (a cell that spans
> the whole row).
>
> Inside that cell place another element with role="group" and
> aria-label="info for x" (where x is a reference to the row header or
> other descriptive label for the content).
> Inside that element place a heading and the rest of the info.
>
> aria-controls, in my experience, does absolutely nothing so I don't
> bother having people implement it.
> aria-description, despite being part of the ARIA 1.3 spec has pretty
> comprehensive browser/screen reader support so I recommend its use
> where it makes sense for non-essential info.
>
>
>
>
> Sure, these tables aren't ideal, I dont like any table where you start
> ruining the tale structure by cramming things into one cell or use
> cells that span multiple rows and columns, they get confuisng no
> matter how you code them, but these are a popular pattern for a lot of
> experiences and it's better to make it the best it can be rather than
> digging a trench.
>
>
>> On 5/30/23, Laurence Lewis < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Glen, You make some interesting observations to consider. The tables I
>> provided as examples were dummy content, it was the expanding functionality
>> I was targeting rather than the relationship between the parent row and the
>> expanded rows. The aria-description is not part of the ARIA specification,
>> however it is already supported by both browsers and screen readers.
>> Someone in the ARIA WG could probably add more information on why this has
>> such wide support. It was Bryan Garaventa who originally introduced me to
>> aria-description.
>>
>> The support for the Summary / Details HTML pattern does suggest it is now a
>> viable option.
>>
>> Steve, thanks for the Adrian link. I noticed his approach is reasonable
>> similar to my POCs in that he uses a disclosure widget with aria-expanded
>> and aria-controls.
>>
>> I have something I can work with now, thank you both for your feedback.
>>
>> Laurence Lewis
>> Accessibility Senior Specialist (Telstra, Brisbane Australia)
>> >> >> >> >>
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