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From: Laurie Davis-Covin
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2003 8:15AM
Subject: Pop-Up
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Our team is working on updating a legacy system to be more useful in the
interim, while building a new and much improved system.
One of the problems is it is not 508-compliant.
For one thing, pop-up windows. Other than stating that a link will open a
new window, is there anything else I can do to move
us closer to compliance?
Here's the page with the pop-up http://museum.nist.gov/fortest/pop_up.htm
Any and all replies will be appreciated. Thank you.
Laurie Davis-Covin, Web Specialist/Writer
National Institute of Standards and Technology
100 Bureau Drive
Admin. Building, Room E 220
Gaithersburg, MD 20899
Ph: 301-975-8027
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From: Lori K. Brown
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2003 8:30AM
Subject: Re: Pop-Up
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Laurie --
On my company's site I have developed a tiny icon for links that pop up in
a new window (off-site links, for example). This icon sits inside of the
link in question and is at the end of the link text. I give it the alt
text "this link pops up in a new window." The alt text supplies the proper
info to text reader users, and the icon gives that information to sighted
users.
See, for example, http://www.sitescape.com/next/pr_art2003.html
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User Interface Engineer
SiteScape, Inc.
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From: Emma Jane Hogbin
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2003 8:31AM
Subject: Re: Pop-Up
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 10:12:25AM -0400, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
> Here's the page with the pop-up http://museum.nist.gov/fortest/pop_up.htm
404 Page not found...
emma
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From: Laurie Davis-Covin
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2003 9:00AM
Subject: Re: Pop-Up
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So sorry! -- This is the link.
http://museum.nist.gov/fortest/eri_pop.htm
At 10:28 AM 7/11/2003 -0400, Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
>On Fri, Jul 11, 2003 at 10:12:25AM -0400, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
> > Here's the page with the pop-up http://museum.nist.gov/fortest/pop_up.htm
>
>404 Page not found...
>
>emma
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Laurie Davis-Covin, Writer/Editor
National Institute of Standards and Technology
100 Bureau Drive
Admin. Building, Room E 220
Gaithersburg, MD 20899
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From: Tom Gilder
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2003 9:01AM
Subject: Re: Pop-Up
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On Friday, July 11, 2003, 3:12:25 PM, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
> For one thing, pop-up windows. Other than stating that a link will
> open a new window, is there anything else I can do to move us closer
> to compliance?
That is not something you should do.
You cannot say for certain that a browser will pay any attention to
your request to open a new window (it might be set to open all pages
in the current one).
And if the browser is already set to announce that a link will open in
a new window, then a user will get two warnings. It is something best
left to user agents.
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From: Carol Foster
Date: Fri, Jul 11 2003 9:02AM
Subject: Re: Pop-Up
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Hi Lori,
I like this approach - and the graphic is very elegant (as is the whole page)
I think. I noticed that the PDF link towards the bottom did not get this
treatment - was that intentional? Maybe it should have its own special pdf
icon included - this may be even more of a usability issue (opening files like
pdfs and Word docs that require special software and more time), according to
Jakob Nielsen.
Best wishes,
Carol
"Lori K. Brown" wrote:
> Laurie --
>
> On my company's site I have developed a tiny icon for links that pop up in
> a new window (off-site links, for example). This icon sits inside of the
> link in question and is at the end of the link text. I give it the alt
> text "this link pops up in a new window." The alt text supplies the proper
> info to text reader users, and the icon gives that information to sighted
> users.
>
> See, for example, http://www.sitescape.com/next/pr_art2003.html
>
> --
> Lori K. Brown
> User Interface Engineer
> SiteScape, Inc.
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From: Kynn Bartlett
Date: Fri, Aug 01 2003 7:18PM
Subject: Re: Pop-Up
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(Sorry about late response -- catching up, and wanted to chime in
on this.)
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 07:58 AM, Tom Gilder wrote:
> On Friday, July 11, 2003, 3:12:25 PM, Laurie Davis-Covin wrote:
>> For one thing, pop-up windows. Other than stating that a link will
>> open a new window, is there anything else I can do to move us closer
>> to compliance?
> That is not something you should do. [...]
> And if the browser is already set to announce that a link will open in
> a new window, then a user will get two warnings. It is something best
> left to user agents.
Well, this is one of those gray areas -- the dreaded "until user
agent" type scenarios.
In such a case, I think it's best to err on the side of warning the
user (as Laurie suggests) instead of simply leaving it up to the
user agent -- especially as this is not standard functionality.
--Kynn
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