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From: Sarah Ferguson
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 1:43PM
Subject: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Hi everyone,
We are working on making some of our web features more accessible. We have
a prototype of a menu that is giving some inconsistent results.
- If a VO user uses the VO button to expand the menu and see the
submenu, they get one result. If the VO user expands the menu with the
return key, they get a different result.
I think this is not a good solution and that we need to keep tinkering to
have either action attain the same result.
thoughts?
Sarah Ferguson
Web Accessibility Specialist
Department of Digital Communications
Brandeis University
From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 2:12PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Is this a menu where if you click return on the link it loads a new page, but if you just mouse over / hit space a sub menu appears? I have on occasion encountered these and they can be truly frustrating. It comes about from trying to make the functionality keyboard accessible via opening new page but then seeing a "mega-menu" solution and attempting to incorporate its philosophy on top of what was already there.
Though some MS products / pages have what they call "split buttons" in their ribbons that also have this type of behavior. I don't think there is an appropriate way to convey this with ARIA directly, and I would expect it to be confusing to people with cognitive disabilities in addition to blind users that might not know the page was redrawn.
.
Thanks,
Jonathan Cohn
> On Jun 28, 2018, at 3:43 PM, Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> We are working on making some of our web features more accessible. We have
> a prototype of a menu that is giving some inconsistent results.
>
> - If a VO user uses the VO button to expand the menu and see the
> submenu, they get one result. If the VO user expands the menu with the
> return key, they get a different result.
>
> I think this is not a good solution and that we need to keep tinkering to
> have either action attain the same result.
>
> thoughts?
>
>
>
> Sarah Ferguson
> Web Accessibility Specialist
> Department of Digital Communications
> Brandeis University
> > > >
From: glen walker
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 2:18PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Some clarifications.
VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth keyboard with
iOS so was just clarifying.
And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key combination,
such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such combination?
From: Sarah Ferguson
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 2:38PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Thanks, everyone. Here are some more details:
- VO on Mac, ios has a new set of issues that we are DEFINITELY going to
fix.
- CTRL+opt+space
- The action doesn't redraw the page per se, but it's a web page left
navigation, so expanding the menu gives you more links you otherwise won't
know about.
- Example (pages 3 and 4 have submenus in this example):
[menu collapsed]
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3 +
Page 4
Page 5 +
[submenu opened for page 3]
Page 1
Page 2
Page 3 -
Page 3a
Page 3b
Page 3c
Page 4
Page 5 +
Using VO, when you reach the page 3 submenu, you can expand it with the
return/enter key. Voiceover will open the submenu and the next item read is
Page 3a. and so forth.
If you expand using CTRL+opt+space, the submenu expands, but the next item
read is Page 4. I think this is a problem.
Sarah Ferguson
Web Accessibility Specialist
Department of Digital Communications
Brandeis University
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:18 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Some clarifications.
>
> VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
>
> You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth keyboard with
> iOS so was just clarifying.
>
> And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key combination,
> such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such combination?
> > > > >
From: Robert Fentress
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 6:01PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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The issue may be the result of the menu trigger being a sibling of its
menu. See if wrapping the menu or trigger in a div takes care of it. I
struggled with what I'm guessing is the same issue for a long time before
hitting upon this solution.
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 4:39 PM Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks, everyone. Here are some more details:
>
>
> - VO on Mac, ios has a new set of issues that we are DEFINITELY going to
> fix.
> - CTRL+opt+space
> - The action doesn't redraw the page per se, but it's a web page left
> navigation, so expanding the menu gives you more links you otherwise
> won't
> know about.
> - Example (pages 3 and 4 have submenus in this example):
>
>
> [menu collapsed]
> Page 1
> Page 2
> Page 3 +
> Page 4
> Page 5 +
>
> [submenu opened for page 3]
> Page 1
> Page 2
> Page 3 -
> Page 3a
> Page 3b
> Page 3c
> Page 4
> Page 5 +
>
> Using VO, when you reach the page 3 submenu, you can expand it with the
> return/enter key. Voiceover will open the submenu and the next item read is
> Page 3a. and so forth.
>
> If you expand using CTRL+opt+space, the submenu expands, but the next item
> read is Page 4. I think this is a problem.
>
>
>
> Sarah Ferguson
> Web Accessibility Specialist
> Department of Digital Communications
> Brandeis University
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:18 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Some clarifications.
> >
> > VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
> >
> > You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth keyboard
> with
> > iOS so was just clarifying.
> >
> > And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key combination,
> > such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such combination?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
From: Robert Fentress
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 6:09PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Hi, Sarah.
See the thread I started about the issue I encountered that I think is the
same as yours here:
https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=8748
Best,
Rob
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The issue may be the result of the menu trigger being a sibling of its
> menu. See if wrapping the menu or trigger in a div takes care of it. I
> struggled with what I'm guessing is the same issue for a long time before
> hitting upon this solution.
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 4:39 PM Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Thanks, everyone. Here are some more details:
>>
>>
>> - VO on Mac, ios has a new set of issues that we are DEFINITELY going
>> to
>> fix.
>> - CTRL+opt+space
>> - The action doesn't redraw the page per se, but it's a web page left
>> navigation, so expanding the menu gives you more links you otherwise
>> won't
>> know about.
>> - Example (pages 3 and 4 have submenus in this example):
>>
>>
>> [menu collapsed]
>> Page 1
>> Page 2
>> Page 3 +
>> Page 4
>> Page 5 +
>>
>> [submenu opened for page 3]
>> Page 1
>> Page 2
>> Page 3 -
>> Page 3a
>> Page 3b
>> Page 3c
>> Page 4
>> Page 5 +
>>
>> Using VO, when you reach the page 3 submenu, you can expand it with the
>> return/enter key. Voiceover will open the submenu and the next item read
>> is
>> Page 3a. and so forth.
>>
>> If you expand using CTRL+opt+space, the submenu expands, but the next item
>> read is Page 4. I think this is a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sarah Ferguson
>> Web Accessibility Specialist
>> Department of Digital Communications
>> Brandeis University
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:18 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Some clarifications.
>> >
>> > VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
>> >
>> > You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth keyboard
>> with
>> > iOS so was just clarifying.
>> >
>> > And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key combination,
>> > such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such combination?
>> > >> > >> > >> > >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>
From: Sarah Ferguson
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 6:11PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Thanks everyone
On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:10 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi, Sarah.
>
> See the thread I started about the issue I encountered that I think is the
> same as yours here:
> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=8748
>
> Best,
> Rob
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > The issue may be the result of the menu trigger being a sibling of its
> > menu. See if wrapping the menu or trigger in a div takes care of it. I
> > struggled with what I'm guessing is the same issue for a long time before
> > hitting upon this solution.
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 4:39 PM Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, everyone. Here are some more details:
> >>
> >>
> >> - VO on Mac, ios has a new set of issues that we are DEFINITELY going
> >> to
> >> fix.
> >> - CTRL+opt+space
> >> - The action doesn't redraw the page per se, but it's a web page left
> >> navigation, so expanding the menu gives you more links you otherwise
> >> won't
> >> know about.
> >> - Example (pages 3 and 4 have submenus in this example):
> >>
> >>
> >> [menu collapsed]
> >> Page 1
> >> Page 2
> >> Page 3 +
> >> Page 4
> >> Page 5 +
> >>
> >> [submenu opened for page 3]
> >> Page 1
> >> Page 2
> >> Page 3 -
> >> Page 3a
> >> Page 3b
> >> Page 3c
> >> Page 4
> >> Page 5 +
> >>
> >> Using VO, when you reach the page 3 submenu, you can expand it with the
> >> return/enter key. Voiceover will open the submenu and the next item read
> >> is
> >> Page 3a. and so forth.
> >>
> >> If you expand using CTRL+opt+space, the submenu expands, but the next
> item
> >> read is Page 4. I think this is a problem.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sarah Ferguson
> >> Web Accessibility Specialist
> >> Department of Digital Communications
> >> Brandeis University
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:18 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Some clarifications.
> >> >
> >> > VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
> >> >
> >> > You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth keyboard
> >> with
> >> > iOS so was just clarifying.
> >> >
> >> > And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key
> combination,
> >> > such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such combination?
> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> >
> > > > >
--
Sarah Ferguson
Web Accessibility Specialist
Office of Digital Communications
Brandeis University *|* 781.736.4259
*Web Accessibility Help Desk < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >*
*Web Accessibility at Brandeis <http://www.brandeis.edu/web-accessibility>;*
From: Mohith BP
Date: Thu, Jun 28 2018 11:05PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Hi Sarah,
Please check the few points:
1. Ensure that the expanded sub-menu items are not loaded dynamically
rather made visible / hidden through CSS.
2. Ensure that the parent / child relationship is available in DOM and
you do not use aria-owns. At times aria-owns creates issues.
3. Ensure all the ARIA markup is as per ARIA authoring practice for
Menu / menubar.
Thanks & Regards,
Mohith B. P.
On 6/29/18, Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks everyone
>
> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:10 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hi, Sarah.
>>
>> See the thread I started about the issue I encountered that I think is
>> the
>> same as yours here:
>> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=8748
>>
>> Best,
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>
>> > The issue may be the result of the menu trigger being a sibling of its
>> > menu. See if wrapping the menu or trigger in a div takes care of it.
>> > I
>> > struggled with what I'm guessing is the same issue for a long time
>> > before
>> > hitting upon this solution.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 4:39 PM Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Thanks, everyone. Here are some more details:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - VO on Mac, ios has a new set of issues that we are DEFINITELY
>> >> going
>> >> to
>> >> fix.
>> >> - CTRL+opt+space
>> >> - The action doesn't redraw the page per se, but it's a web page
>> >> left
>> >> navigation, so expanding the menu gives you more links you
>> >> otherwise
>> >> won't
>> >> know about.
>> >> - Example (pages 3 and 4 have submenus in this example):
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> [menu collapsed]
>> >> Page 1
>> >> Page 2
>> >> Page 3 +
>> >> Page 4
>> >> Page 5 +
>> >>
>> >> [submenu opened for page 3]
>> >> Page 1
>> >> Page 2
>> >> Page 3 -
>> >> Page 3a
>> >> Page 3b
>> >> Page 3c
>> >> Page 4
>> >> Page 5 +
>> >>
>> >> Using VO, when you reach the page 3 submenu, you can expand it with
>> >> the
>> >> return/enter key. Voiceover will open the submenu and the next item
>> >> read
>> >> is
>> >> Page 3a. and so forth.
>> >>
>> >> If you expand using CTRL+opt+space, the submenu expands, but the next
>> item
>> >> read is Page 4. I think this is a problem.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sarah Ferguson
>> >> Web Accessibility Specialist
>> >> Department of Digital Communications
>> >> Brandeis University
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:18 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Some clarifications.
>> >> >
>> >> > VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
>> >> >
>> >> > You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth
>> >> > keyboard
>> >> with
>> >> > iOS so was just clarifying.
>> >> >
>> >> > And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key
>> combination,
>> >> > such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such combination?
>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >
>> >> >> >> >>
> --
> Sarah Ferguson
> Web Accessibility Specialist
> Office of Digital Communications
> Brandeis University *|* 781.736.4259
> *Web Accessibility Help Desk < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >*
> *Web Accessibility at Brandeis <http://www.brandeis.edu/web-accessibility>;*
> > > > >
From: Robert Fentress
Date: Fri, Jun 29 2018 5:46PM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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I'm curious--did any of those suggestions work?
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 1:05 AM Mohith BP < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Sarah,
>
> Please check the few points:
> 1. Ensure that the expanded sub-menu items are not loaded dynamically
> rather made visible / hidden through CSS.
> 2. Ensure that the parent / child relationship is available in DOM and
> you do not use aria-owns. At times aria-owns creates issues.
> 3. Ensure all the ARIA markup is as per ARIA authoring practice for
> Menu / menubar.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
> Mohith B. P.
>
> On 6/29/18, Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Thanks everyone
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:10 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi, Sarah.
> >>
> >> See the thread I started about the issue I encountered that I think is
> >> the
> >> same as yours here:
> >> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=8748
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Rob
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >>
> >> > The issue may be the result of the menu trigger being a sibling of its
> >> > menu. See if wrapping the menu or trigger in a div takes care of it.
> >> > I
> >> > struggled with what I'm guessing is the same issue for a long time
> >> > before
> >> > hitting upon this solution.
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 4:39 PM Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Thanks, everyone. Here are some more details:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> - VO on Mac, ios has a new set of issues that we are DEFINITELY
> >> >> going
> >> >> to
> >> >> fix.
> >> >> - CTRL+opt+space
> >> >> - The action doesn't redraw the page per se, but it's a web page
> >> >> left
> >> >> navigation, so expanding the menu gives you more links you
> >> >> otherwise
> >> >> won't
> >> >> know about.
> >> >> - Example (pages 3 and 4 have submenus in this example):
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> [menu collapsed]
> >> >> Page 1
> >> >> Page 2
> >> >> Page 3 +
> >> >> Page 4
> >> >> Page 5 +
> >> >>
> >> >> [submenu opened for page 3]
> >> >> Page 1
> >> >> Page 2
> >> >> Page 3 -
> >> >> Page 3a
> >> >> Page 3b
> >> >> Page 3c
> >> >> Page 4
> >> >> Page 5 +
> >> >>
> >> >> Using VO, when you reach the page 3 submenu, you can expand it with
> >> >> the
> >> >> return/enter key. Voiceover will open the submenu and the next item
> >> >> read
> >> >> is
> >> >> Page 3a. and so forth.
> >> >>
> >> >> If you expand using CTRL+opt+space, the submenu expands, but the next
> >> item
> >> >> read is Page 4. I think this is a problem.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sarah Ferguson
> >> >> Web Accessibility Specialist
> >> >> Department of Digital Communications
> >> >> Brandeis University
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:18 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Some clarifications.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth
> >> >> > keyboard
> >> >> with
> >> >> > iOS so was just clarifying.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key
> >> combination,
> >> >> > such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such combination?
> >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >
> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >>
> >> >
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > --
> > Sarah Ferguson
> > Web Accessibility Specialist
> > Office of Digital Communications
> > Brandeis University *|* 781.736.4259
> > *Web Accessibility Help Desk < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >*
> > *Web Accessibility at Brandeis <
> http://www.brandeis.edu/web-accessibility>;*
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >
From: Sarah Ferguson
Date: Mon, Jul 09 2018 8:43AM
Subject: Re: opening an expandable menu while using voiceover
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Hi,
Sorry, I was on vacation last week, but I will look into these.
thanks!
Sarah Ferguson
Web Accessibility Specialist
Office of Digital Communications
Brandeis University
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 7:46 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I'm curious--did any of those suggestions work?
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 1:05 AM Mohith BP < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hi Sarah,
> >
> > Please check the few points:
> > 1. Ensure that the expanded sub-menu items are not loaded dynamically
> > rather made visible / hidden through CSS.
> > 2. Ensure that the parent / child relationship is available in DOM and
> > you do not use aria-owns. At times aria-owns creates issues.
> > 3. Ensure all the ARIA markup is as per ARIA authoring practice for
> > Menu / menubar.
> >
> > Thanks & Regards,
> > Mohith B. P.
> >
> > On 6/29/18, Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > > Thanks everyone
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 8:10 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi, Sarah.
> > >>
> > >> See the thread I started about the issue I encountered that I think is
> > >> the
> > >> same as yours here:
> > >> https://webaim.org/discussion/mail_thread?thread=8748
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Rob
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 8:01 PM Robert Fentress < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The issue may be the result of the menu trigger being a sibling of
> its
> > >> > menu. See if wrapping the menu or trigger in a div takes care of
> it.
> > >> > I
> > >> > struggled with what I'm guessing is the same issue for a long time
> > >> > before
> > >> > hitting upon this solution.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Jun 28, 2018, 4:39 PM Sarah Ferguson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Thanks, everyone. Here are some more details:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> - VO on Mac, ios has a new set of issues that we are DEFINITELY
> > >> >> going
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> fix.
> > >> >> - CTRL+opt+space
> > >> >> - The action doesn't redraw the page per se, but it's a web page
> > >> >> left
> > >> >> navigation, so expanding the menu gives you more links you
> > >> >> otherwise
> > >> >> won't
> > >> >> know about.
> > >> >> - Example (pages 3 and 4 have submenus in this example):
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [menu collapsed]
> > >> >> Page 1
> > >> >> Page 2
> > >> >> Page 3 +
> > >> >> Page 4
> > >> >> Page 5 +
> > >> >>
> > >> >> [submenu opened for page 3]
> > >> >> Page 1
> > >> >> Page 2
> > >> >> Page 3 -
> > >> >> Page 3a
> > >> >> Page 3b
> > >> >> Page 3c
> > >> >> Page 4
> > >> >> Page 5 +
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Using VO, when you reach the page 3 submenu, you can expand it with
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> return/enter key. Voiceover will open the submenu and the next item
> > >> >> read
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> Page 3a. and so forth.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> If you expand using CTRL+opt+space, the submenu expands, but the
> next
> > >> item
> > >> >> read is Page 4. I think this is a problem.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sarah Ferguson
> > >> >> Web Accessibility Specialist
> > >> >> Department of Digital Communications
> > >> >> Brandeis University
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 4:18 PM glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> >
> > >> >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > Some clarifications.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > VO on a Mac? (Not iOS?)
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > You say "Enter" key but that's also possible with a bluetooth
> > >> >> > keyboard
> > >> >> with
> > >> >> > iOS so was just clarifying.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > And by "VO Button" (instead of Enter), do you mean the key
> > >> combination,
> > >> >> > such as control+option+command+spacebar, or some such
> combination?
> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>
> > > --
> > > Sarah Ferguson
> > > Web Accessibility Specialist
> > > Office of Digital Communications
> > > Brandeis University *|* 781.736.4259
> > > *Web Accessibility Help Desk < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >*
> > > *Web Accessibility at Brandeis <
> > http://www.brandeis.edu/web-accessibility>;*
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >