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From: Mark Magennis
Date: Wed, Jun 19 2019 6:37AM
Subject: Best way to prevent screen reader reading aria-live region in browse mode?
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Hi,

Suppose I have a <span role=3D"alert"> and I put some content into it, say =
"record deleted". What would you say is the best way to prevent a screen re=
ader from reading this again by coming across it while browsing?


1. Remove the content after a few seconds
2. Put it somewhere that the screen reader can't reach
3. Add aria-hidden=3D"true"
4. Something else

Thanks,
Mark

Mark Magennis
Skillsoft | mobile: +353 87 60 60 162
Accessibility Specialist
[cid:image001.jpg@01D4B932.D0127180]<http://www.skillsoft.com/>;


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From: Swift, Daniel P.
Date: Wed, Jun 19 2019 6:41AM
Subject: Re: Best way to prevent screen reader reading aria-live region in browse mode?
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Mark:

I'm pretty sure automatically closing/hiding it is a violation. I'd suggest including an option for the user to close it - on user interaction changing it to display:none. That would work for all users.

Dan Swift
Senior Web Specialist
Enterprise Services
West Chester University
610.738.0589

From: Mark Magennis
Date: Wed, Jun 19 2019 7:35AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]Best way to prevent screen reader reading aria-live region in browse mode?
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Thanks for the reply Dan.

I'm not hiding anything that's on screen though. This feedback message is only intended for screen reader users.

Mark

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Wed, Jun 19 2019 7:56AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]Best way to prevent screen reader reading aria-live region in browse mode?
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If the deletion happens as a result of user activating a link or a
button it does not violatt WCAG 3.2.1 or 3.2.2
I'd suggest either item #1 (the basic interface of GMail does this
very wel) or add a "close" button to the screen reader warning, you
can use tabindex="-1' on it, since it is intended for screen reader
browse mode and screen reader users can activate a button from browse
mode without it being focusable. If it were focusable it would cause
confusion for sighted keyboard only users.
Or you could code a modal dialog for all users with the message "user
deleted" and a "close" button.
I am sure other users would benefit.


On 6/19/19, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks for the reply Dan.
>
> I'm not hiding anything that's on screen though. This feedback message is
> only intended for screen reader users.
>
> Mark
>
>
>

From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Wed, Jun 19 2019 8:07AM
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL]Best way to prevent screen reader reading aria-live region in browse mode?
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On 19/06/2019 14:35, Mark Magennis wrote:
> I'm not hiding anything that's on screen though. This feedback message is only intended for screen reader users.

Leaving aside whether or not there should be some visible
tooltip/toast/notification for non AT users...you could generate it well
out of the likely way of the user's position in the document (e.g. right
at the end of the doc) and after a generous-enough timeout (few
seconds?) remove it completely?

P
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From: Aditya
Date: Wed, Jun 19 2019 5:52PM
Subject: Re: Best way to prevent screen reader reading aria-live region in browse mode?
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If the message is visible to all users, then it should also be available for screen reader users to even after announcing.

If the message is just for screen readers, place this alert some where above the triggering element so that users do not encounter it when navigating ahead.
You also could use a timeout to delete the message after few seconds.

If the message reads "1 record deleted" every time a record is deleted, the screen reader might not announce it after 1st time since the message does not change. Especially in react where it does not see a change in content and does not re-render.

To summarize,
Place it above triggering element in DOM and delete it after a time out.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Suppose I have a <span role="alert"> and I put some content into it, say "record deleted". What would you say is the best way to prevent a screen reader from reading this again by coming across it while browsing?
>
>
> 1. Remove the content after a few seconds
> 2. Put it somewhere that the screen reader can't reach
> 3. Add aria-hidden="true"
> 4. Something else
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> Mark Magennis
> Skillsoft | mobile: +353 87 60 60 162
> Accessibility Specialist
> [cid:image001.jpg@01D4B932.D0127180]<http://www.skillsoft.com/>;
>
> > > >

From: Isabel Holdsworth
Date: Thu, Jun 20 2019 4:51AM
Subject: Re: Best way to prevent screen reader reading aria-live region in browse mode?
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If you may need to reuse the alert container, don't set its display to
none - just remove the message from it.

On 20/06/2019, Aditya via WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> If the message is visible to all users, then it should also be available for
> screen reader users to even after announcing.
>
> If the message is just for screen readers, place this alert some where above
> the triggering element so that users do not encounter it when navigating
> ahead.
> You also could use a timeout to delete the message after few seconds.
>
> If the message reads "1 record deleted" every time a record is deleted, the
> screen reader might not announce it after 1st time since the message does
> not change. Especially in react where it does not see a change in content
> and does not re-render.
>
> To summarize,
> Place it above triggering element in DOM and delete it after a time out.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 7:37 AM, Mark Magennis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Suppose I have a <span role="alert"> and I put some content into it, say
>> "record deleted". What would you say is the best way to prevent a screen
>> reader from reading this again by coming across it while browsing?
>>
>>
>> 1. Remove the content after a few seconds
>> 2. Put it somewhere that the screen reader can't reach
>> 3. Add aria-hidden="true"
>> 4. Something else
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark Magennis
>> Skillsoft | mobile: +353 87 60 60 162
>> Accessibility Specialist
>> [cid:image001.jpg@01D4B932.D0127180]<http://www.skillsoft.com/>;
>>
>> >> >> >> >
> > > > >