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From: Brian Lovely
Date: Thu, Sep 05 2019 8:16AM
Subject: Tab and accordion order
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I occasionally see tabs or accordions where the content precedes the tabs
or buttons controlling it. I see this as a violation of 1.3.2 Finding Added
Content, in addition to seeming less logical than the controlled content
being the next thing in focus order from the control.
My question to non-visual screen reader users is do you find "reversed" tab
or accordion order problematic? Most of the time when I am describing the
human impact of a WCAG violation, I feel pretty confident that there is a
clear impediment to use, but with this one, I feel less confident.
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From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Thu, Sep 05 2019 8:24AM
Subject: Re: Tab and accordion order
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Very interesting question especially since Phones tend to put the tabs at the bottom of the screen, so this is becoming a more common design pattern.
-Jonathan Cohn
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Brian Lovely via WebAIM-Forum < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
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> I occasionally see tabs or accordions where the content precedes the tabs
> or buttons controlling it. I see this as a violation of 1.3.2 Finding Added
> Content, in addition to seeming less logical than the controlled content
> being the next thing in focus order from the control.
>
> My question to non-visual screen reader users is do you find "reversed" tab
> or accordion order problematic? Most of the time when I am describing the
> human impact of a WCAG violation, I feel pretty confident that there is a
> clear impediment to use, but with this one, I feel less confident.
>
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> *Brian Lovely*
> Capital One Digital Accessibility
> 804.389.1064
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From: glen walker
Date: Thu, Sep 05 2019 6:04PM
Subject: Re: Tab and accordion order
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I suppose it might depend if you're asking about a compliance violation vs
the user experience.
1.3.2 talks about Meaningful Sequence and if the reading order affects the
*meaning* of the content. The "understanding" section says, "A sequence is
meaningful if the order of content in the sequence cannot be changed
without affecting its meaning". In this case, if the tabs were read first
and then the content, or vice versa, I don't think it affects the *meaning*
of the content. It might be confusing trying to associate which tab is
associated with the content but I don't think it affects the meaning of the
content.
Somewhat related is 2.4.3 Focus Order. It talks about meaning *and*
operation. If the tab order affects the mean or if the tab order affects
the operation. But again, whether the tabs are read first or the content
is read first, I don't think that affects the meaning or operation of the
tabs. Initially it might make it harder to figure out where the tabs are
(if after the content) but it doesn't prevent me from using the tabs to
change the content.
But that doesn't really address your main question which is more about the
user experience than compliance.
On Thu, Sep 5, 2019 at 8:17 AM Brian Lovely via WebAIM-Forum <
= EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I occasionally see tabs or accordions where the content precedes the tabs
> or buttons controlling it. I see this as a violation of 1.3.2 Finding Added
> Content, in addition to seeming less logical than the controlled content
> being the next thing in focus order from the control.
>
> My question to non-visual screen reader users is do you find "reversed" tab
> or accordion order problematic? Most of the time when I am describing the
> human impact of a WCAG violation, I feel pretty confident that there is a
> clear impediment to use, but with this one, I feel less confident.
>
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> *Brian Lovely*
> Capital One Digital Accessibility
> 804.389.1064
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From: mhysnm1964
Date: Thu, Sep 05 2019 6:10PM
Subject: Re: Tab and accordion order
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Brian,
Do you have an example? As this would help in answering your query.