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From: Carol Foster
Date: Thu, Jan 08 2004 9:52AM
Subject: Macromedia Contribute and accessibility
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Hello,
I just looked through the archives for previous discussion of
Macromedia's Contribute and its accessibility features, and I saw that
Holly Marie asked about it a while back, but I couldn't find her email
address in the archives. So, Holly Marie and others, have you learned
any more about the advantages and disadvantages for accessibility using
Contribute? Replies to me or to the list would be appreciated! I will
be looking into this further myself as time permits.
Thanks,
Carol
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From: Stephanie Sullivan
Date: Fri, Jan 09 2004 2:10PM
Subject: Re: Macromedia Contribute and accessibility
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on 1/8/04 11:48 AM, Carol Foster at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = profoundly spewed
forth their very articulate thoughts:
> I just looked through the archives for previous discussion of
> Macromedia's Contribute and its accessibility features, and I saw that
> Holly Marie asked about it a while back, but I couldn't find her email
> address in the archives. So, Holly Marie and others, have you learned
> any more about the advantages and disadvantages for accessibility using
> Contribute? Replies to me or to the list would be appreciated! I will
> be looking into this further myself as time permits.
Carol... Contribute is an editing product, not a web building product... So
basically, the site is built using Dreamweaver (or another web building
product) and then the client edits text and adds images and such (if you
allow them to add images --- you can even limit the size of images they
add).
You have the ability to set up permissions for various groups you create.
Some of the options include, "Enforce accessibility options (such as ALT
text for images)" and "Use <strong> and <em> in place of <b> and <i>". You
can control their use of Fonts or CSS (font application can be completely
turned off in favor of CSS only).
Does that answer your question? :)
Stephanie Sullivan
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From: Eoin Campbell
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2004 4:20AM
Subject: Re: Macromedia Contribute and accessibility
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We also reviewed Contribute from an accessibility perspective.
A summary is online at http://www.xmlw.ie/services/mmcontributereview.htm
Overall, it is better than many editing tools, but doesn't support
all the accessibility features of HTML, e.g. ability to specify
language, or use ACRONYM or ABBR tags.
We also wanted support for input of Dublin Core Metadata, but this is
not available by default at least, although it might be possible to
create an extension for it.
At 16:01 09/01/2004 -0500, Stephanie Sullivan wrote:
>on 1/8/04 11:48 AM, Carol Foster at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = profoundly spewed
>forth their very articulate thoughts:
>
>> I just looked through the archives for previous discussion of
>> Macromedia's Contribute and its accessibility features, and I saw that
>> Holly Marie asked about it a while back, but I couldn't find her email
>> address in the archives. So, Holly Marie and others, have you learned
>> any more about the advantages and disadvantages for accessibility using
>> Contribute? Replies to me or to the list would be appreciated! I will
>> be looking into this further myself as time permits.
>
>Carol... Contribute is an editing product, not a web building product... So
>basically, the site is built using Dreamweaver (or another web building
>product) and then the client edits text and adds images and such (if you
>allow them to add images --- you can even limit the size of images they
>add).
>
>You have the ability to set up permissions for various groups you create.
>Some of the options include, "Enforce accessibility options (such as ALT
>text for images)" and "Use <strong> and <em> in place of <b> and <i>". You
>can control their use of Fonts or CSS (font application can be completely
>turned off in favor of CSS only).
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From: Carol Foster
Date: Mon, Jan 12 2004 8:42AM
Subject: Re: Macromedia Contribute and accessibility
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Thanks so much. From my limited time with the Contribute demo product, this all
seems right. It appears that HTML cannot be edited directly at all through
Contribute - is that right? So in addition to the things mentioned in these
replies and the helpful online summary, complex tables cannot be marked up
properly, though there is support for simple tables to be marked up with <th>
when they are inserted. When I tried importing a Word document, the image and
table in it did not come across with proper accessible markup (alt text and
<th>'s), but I was working as the administrator, so I'm not sure the "enforce
accessibility" was in effect. It would be hard to imagine that this feature
(enforcing accessibility of imported Word docs) would work properly without
manual intervention.
Carol
Eoin Campbell wrote:
> We also reviewed Contribute from an accessibility perspective.
> A summary is online at http://www.xmlw.ie/services/mmcontributereview.htm
> Overall, it is better than many editing tools, but doesn't support
> all the accessibility features of HTML, e.g. ability to specify
> language, or use ACRONYM or ABBR tags.
> We also wanted support for input of Dublin Core Metadata, but this is
> not available by default at least, although it might be possible to
> create an extension for it.
>
> At 16:01 09/01/2004 -0500, Stephanie Sullivan wrote:
> >on 1/8/04 11:48 AM, Carol Foster at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = profoundly spewed
> >forth their very articulate thoughts:
> >
> >> I just looked through the archives for previous discussion of
> >> Macromedia's Contribute and its accessibility features, and I saw that
> >> Holly Marie asked about it a while back, but I couldn't find her email
> >> address in the archives. So, Holly Marie and others, have you learned
> >> any more about the advantages and disadvantages for accessibility using
> >> Contribute? Replies to me or to the list would be appreciated! I will
> >> be looking into this further myself as time permits.
> >
> >Carol... Contribute is an editing product, not a web building product... So
> >basically, the site is built using Dreamweaver (or another web building
> >product) and then the client edits text and adds images and such (if you
> >allow them to add images --- you can even limit the size of images they
> >add).
> >
> >You have the ability to set up permissions for various groups you create.
> >Some of the options include, "Enforce accessibility options (such as ALT
> >text for images)" and "Use <strong> and <em> in place of <b> and <i>". You
> >can control their use of Fonts or CSS (font application can be completely
> >turned off in favor of CSS only).
>
> --
> Eoin Campbell, Technical Director, XML Workshop Ltd,
> 10 Greenmount Industrial Estate, Harolds Cross, Dublin 12, IRELAND.
> Email: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> Phone: +353 1 4547811; Fax: +353 1 4496299
> Web: http://www.xmlw.ie
> YAWC Online: http://www.yawconline.com/
> YAWC Pro: http://www.yawcpro.com/
>
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From: Stephanie Sullivan
Date: Tue, Jan 13 2004 4:16PM
Subject: Re: Macromedia Contribute and accessibility
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on 1/12/04 10:38 AM, Carol Foster at = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = profoundly spewed
forth their very articulate thoughts:
> Thanks so much. From my limited time with the Contribute demo product, this
> all seems right. It appears that HTML cannot be edited directly at all
> through Contribute - is that right?
Pretty much true because it's specifically made for web-ignorant users...
People that want to type in as if they're in a word processor for the most
part...
> When I tried importing a Word document, the
> image and table in it did not come across with proper accessible markup (alt
> text and <th>'s), but I was working as the administrator, so I'm not sure the
> "enforce accessibility" was in effect. It would be hard to imagine that this
> feature (enforcing accessibility of imported Word docs) would work properly
> without manual intervention.
I'm not sure that you can force accessibility for tables... I think not
(I'll check and let you know if I'm incorrect)...
As to someone elses mention of extensibility... Not yet. Contribute does not
yet have access to the Extension Manager... Hopefully in a future version...
Stephanie Sullivan
Contributing Author .: "Macromedia Dreamweaver MX 2004 Magic" :. New Riders
CommunityMX Team Member :: http://www.communitymx.com
Technical Editor .: "DreamweaverMX Killer Tips" :. New Riders
VioletSky Design :: http://www.violetsky.net
"Nothing in the world can take the place of persistence.
Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
Education will not; the world is full of educated failures.
Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent." -Calvin Coolidge
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