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From: suman damera
Date: Sun, Jan 26 2020 10:57PM
Subject: Query on the MAC voice over
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Hello all,
i am kind of new to MAC and voice over(safari) testing. while performing
accessibility testing, i have got the below query

The options in the type ahead(typeahead is custom list with input
textbox) are not exposed to the voice over users while up and down arrow
keys are used. However, keyboard focus moves from one option to other
option while up and down arrow keys are used. Except voice over on MAC, all
the screen readers are exposing those options during arrow key navigation.
What could be the problem here why voice over on mac is not exposing those
options during arrow key navigation? To see the working example, open the
below Microsoft URL, navigate to the search button, , activate the search
element, type any character, and then use arrow keys
https://www.microsoft.com/en-in

Looking forward for your response.

From: Ashwin Kumar V
Date: Mon, Jan 27 2020 9:13PM
Subject: Re: Query on the MAC voice over
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Hi,
I am using Mac desktop with latest OS. I don't see any problem in selecting
items in the list I can do that using up and down arrow.

On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 11:27 AM, suman damera < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> Hello all,
> i am kind of new to MAC and voice over(safari) testing. while performing
> accessibility testing, i have got the below query
>
> The options in the type ahead(typeahead is custom list with input
> textbox) are not exposed to the voice over users while up and down arrow
> keys are used. However, keyboard focus moves from one option to other
> option while up and down arrow keys are used. Except voice over on MAC, all
> the screen readers are exposing those options during arrow key navigation.
> What could be the problem here why voice over on mac is not exposing those
> options during arrow key navigation? To see the working example, open the
> below Microsoft URL, navigate to the search button, , activate the search
> element, type any character, and then use arrow keys
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-in
>
> Looking forward for your response.
> > > > >
--
**

Best regards,
Ashwin Kumar V.
Certified Web Accessibility Specialist
Mob: 9008980065
Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashwinkumar1/

From: Jonathan Cohn
Date: Tue, Jan 28 2020 8:43PM
Subject: Re: Query on the MAC voice over
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There are several ways to compose custom select boxes, and none is likely to be as accessible as the native HTML. I believe Mac's have historically had issues with the active-descendent attribute especially if the list used to indicate completions is at the end of the DOM instead of adjacent to the entry area.
So, without specifics it is hard to tell what could be at issue for you. Can you share a sample?

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn

> On Jan 27, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ashwin Kumar V < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am using Mac desktop with latest OS. I don't see any problem in selecting
> items in the list I can do that using up and down arrow.
>
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 11:27 AM, suman damera < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>> i am kind of new to MAC and voice over(safari) testing. while performing
>> accessibility testing, i have got the below query
>>
>> The options in the type ahead(typeahead is custom list with input
>> textbox) are not exposed to the voice over users while up and down arrow
>> keys are used. However, keyboard focus moves from one option to other
>> option while up and down arrow keys are used. Except voice over on MAC, all
>> the screen readers are exposing those options during arrow key navigation.
>> What could be the problem here why voice over on mac is not exposing those
>> options during arrow key navigation? To see the working example, open the
>> below Microsoft URL, navigate to the search button, , activate the search
>> element, type any character, and then use arrow keys
>> https://www.microsoft.com/en-in
>>
>> Looking forward for your response.
>> >> >> >> >>
> --
> **
>
> Best regards,
> Ashwin Kumar V.
> Certified Web Accessibility Specialist
> Mob: 9008980065
> Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashwinkumar1/
> > > >

From: suman damera
Date: Wed, Jan 29 2020 7:46PM
Subject: Re: Query on the MAC voice over
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Even i am using latest OS. i am not sure what i am missing? will connect
you in the off line
Thank you

On Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 9:43 AM Ashwin Kumar V < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:

> Hi,
> I am using Mac desktop with latest OS. I don't see any problem in selecting
> items in the list I can do that using up and down arrow.
>
> On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 11:27 AM, suman damera < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > i am kind of new to MAC and voice over(safari) testing. while performing
> > accessibility testing, i have got the below query
> >
> > The options in the type ahead(typeahead is custom list with input
> > textbox) are not exposed to the voice over users while up and down arrow
> > keys are used. However, keyboard focus moves from one option to other
> > option while up and down arrow keys are used. Except voice over on MAC,
> all
> > the screen readers are exposing those options during arrow key
> navigation.
> > What could be the problem here why voice over on mac is not exposing
> those
> > options during arrow key navigation? To see the working example, open the
> > below Microsoft URL, navigate to the search button, , activate the search
> > element, type any character, and then use arrow keys
> > https://www.microsoft.com/en-in
> >
> > Looking forward for your response.
> > > > > > > > > >
> --
> **
>
> Best regards,
> Ashwin Kumar V.
> Certified Web Accessibility Specialist
> Mob: 9008980065
> Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashwinkumar1/
> > > > >

From: suman damera
Date: Wed, Jan 29 2020 7:49PM
Subject: Re: Query on the MAC voice over
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apologies for the delay response as i had to take permission to share the
code snippet and here is the code snippet
<div class="ph-autocomplete-input-wrapper ph-combobox-dropdown-area"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1LJCdpO">
<div role="search" aria-expanded="false"
aria-owns="recenttitle-list" aria-haspopup="listbox" aria-label="What is
your most recent job title?"
key-aria-label="6ty93o-ph-find-your-fit-v1-default-stepTwoLabel"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1rcBjuu">
<input type="text" id="recentTitles"
name="recentTitles" showresultsonfocus="false" ph-a11y-autocomplete=""
aria-label="Search for Job title"
key-aria-label="6ty93o-ph-find-your-fit-v1-default-fyfStepRecentTitleSearchBoxAriaLabel"
data-ph-autocomplete-input="recentTitle" autocomplete="off"
placeholder.bind="widgetBundle['fyfRecentTitlePlaceHolderText']"
aria-autocomplete="list" aria-controls="recenttitle-list"
value.bind="fyfStepConfig.recentTitle.value"
aria-labelledby="ph-fyf-jobTitle"
disabled.bind="fyfStepConfig.recentTitle.flag"
data-ph-at-id="input-search-box"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1iJDCpn" class="au-target
search-box" au-target-id="1877" placeholder="Your most recent job title"
aria-activedescendant="">
</div>
<button click.trigger="clearSearch()"
class="cancel au-target" show.bind="fyfStepConfig.recentTitle.value.length"
focus.trigger="setFocusField('recentTitles')"
blur.trigger="setFocusField('recentTitles',true)" aria-label=" clear the
search"
key-aria-label="6ty93o-ph-find-your-fit-v1-default-fyfStepRecentTitleClearSearchText"
data-ph-at-id="clear-text-link"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v12aCu5L" au-target-id="1878">
<i aria-hidden="true" class="icon
icon-cancel" data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1XLMF0x"></i>
</button>
<ul role="listbox"
aria-labelledby="recenttitle-list" id="recenttitle-list"
class="search-dropdown-list au-target aurelia-hide"
show.bind="stepData.showRecentTitleDropdown"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1jSQDUz" au-target-id="1879"
data-ph-at-data-count="10" aria-expanded="false">
<li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_0"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-0"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Secretory"
aria-label="Secretory"><em>Se</em>cretory</li><li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_1"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-1"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Security Sergeant" aria-label="Security
Sergeant"><em>Se</em>curity <em>Se</em>rgeant</li><li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_2"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-2"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Sergeant"
aria-label="Sergeant"><em>Se</em>rgeant</li><li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_3"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-3"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Secret Security Clearance" aria-label="Secret
Security Clearance"><em>Se</em>cret <em>Se</em>curity Clearance</li><li
role="option" aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_4"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-4"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Servant Lead" aria-label="Servant
Lead"><em>Se</em>rvant Lead</li><li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_5"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-5"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Seriologist 1" aria-label="Seriologist
1"><em>Se</em>riologist 1</li><li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_6"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-6"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Secretary"
aria-label="Secretary"><em>Se</em>cretary</li><li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_7"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-7"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Self Service Manager" aria-label="Self Service
Manager"><em>Se</em>lf <em>Se</em>rvice Manager</li><li role="option"
aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_8"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-8"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="SEO Expert" aria-label="SEO Expert"><em>SE</em>O
Expert</li><li role="option" aria-selected.bind="eachTitle.aria.selected"
click.delegate="populateSelectedData(eachTitle, $index)"
data-ph-at-id="suggested-data-list-item"
innerhtml.bind="eachTitle.title_html | sanitizeHTML"
data-ph-id="ph-default-ph-find-your-fit-v1T0s83I" class="au-target
ph-autocomplete-input-listbox-item search-list-item title_9"
au-target-id="1880" id="recentTitles-result-item-9"
data-ph-at-job-title-text="Seafood Clerk" aria-label="Seafood
Clerk"><em>Se</em>afood Clerk</li>

</ul>
</div>

On Wed, Jan 29, 2020 at 9:13 AM Jonathan Cohn < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:

> There are several ways to compose custom select boxes, and none is likely
> to be as accessible as the native HTML. I believe Mac's have historically
> had issues with the active-descendent attribute especially if the list used
> to indicate completions is at the end of the DOM instead of adjacent to the
> entry area.
> So, without specifics it is hard to tell what could be at issue for you.
> Can you share a sample?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Jonathan Cohn
>
>
>
> > On Jan 27, 2020, at 11:13 PM, Ashwin Kumar V < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I am using Mac desktop with latest OS. I don't see any problem in
> selecting
> > items in the list I can do that using up and down arrow.
> >
> > On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 11:27 AM, suman damera < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello all,
> >> i am kind of new to MAC and voice over(safari) testing. while
> performing
> >> accessibility testing, i have got the below query
> >>
> >> The options in the type ahead(typeahead is custom list with input
> >> textbox) are not exposed to the voice over users while up and down arrow
> >> keys are used. However, keyboard focus moves from one option to other
> >> option while up and down arrow keys are used. Except voice over on MAC,
> all
> >> the screen readers are exposing those options during arrow key
> navigation.
> >> What could be the problem here why voice over on mac is not exposing
> those
> >> options during arrow key navigation? To see the working example, open
> the
> >> below Microsoft URL, navigate to the search button, , activate the
> search
> >> element, type any character, and then use arrow keys
> >> https://www.microsoft.com/en-in
> >>
> >> Looking forward for your response.
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
> > --
> > **
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Ashwin Kumar V.
> > Certified Web Accessibility Specialist
> > Mob: 9008980065
> > Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ashwinkumar1/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > >