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From: Kharmen Roman
Date: Mon, Mar 01 2004 5:38AM
Subject: "scope" question regarding tables
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Hello,

I'm unsure of the "scope", i.e.scope="col", scope="row", that is needed to be defined if I have a table of the following format:

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|Salsa Sauces | table header
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|Special Price on Select Items | Regular Price | Sale Price | Mild | Medium | Spicy | row 2
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| | 0-3 | 4-7 | 8-10 | row 3
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|Tex-Mex | 2.99 | n/a | x | row 4
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|Chi-Chipotle | 4.50 | 3.50 | x | row 5
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|Happy Habanero | 5.25 | 4.50 | x | row 6
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| Too Hot to Handle (for us) | | | x | row 7
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"Salsa Sauces" is the table header with scope="col"
Row 2:
* Does a scope="row" belong in the first table cell of that row, in this case "Special Price on Select Items"
* The remaining cols in row 2 are the next level of table headers
Row 3: Spiciness ratings
* These cells are the next level of table headers.
Row 4:
* Can the scope="col" from row 3 pertain to data in a nested table (needed for formatting) that contains the "x", which depicts where on the scale of 0 - 10 level of spiciness? And is the scope="row" in the nested table valid?

The "x" would be an image with alt text indicate the numeric value on the scale.

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Kharmen

From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Mon, Mar 01 2004 6:22PM
Subject: Re: "scope" question regarding tables
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1. The "Salsa Sauces" should be the caption for the table:

<table>
<caption>Salsa Sauces</caption>
<tr>
<thead>
<th scope="col">Special Price on Select Items</th>
...
</thead>

2. The salsa rating could be put in the same header cell as the labels "mild", "Medium" and "Hot" or be used as a title attribute to provide more information.

Jon



---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 18:29:22 -0600
>From: "Kharmen Roman" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Subject: "scope" question regarding tables
>To: < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
> Hello,
>
> I'm unsure of the "scope", i.e.scope="col",
> scope="row", that is needed to be defined if I have
> a table of the following format:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Salsa
> Sauces
> | table header
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Special Price on Select Items | Regular Price |
> Sale Price | Mild | Medium | Spicy | row 2
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |
>
> | 0-3 | 4-7 | 8-10 | row 3
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Tex-Mex |
> 2.99 | n/a |
> x | row 4
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Chi-Chipotle |
> 4.50 | 3.50
> | x | row 5
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> |Happy Habanero |
> 5.25 | 4.50
> | x | row 6
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> | Too Hot to Handle (for us)
> | |
> | x | row 7
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Salsa Sauces" is the table header with scope="col"
> Row 2:
> * Does a scope="row" belong in the first table cell
> of that row, in this case "Special Price on Select
> Items"
> * The remaining cols in row 2 are the next level of
> table headers
> Row 3: Spiciness ratings
> * These cells are the next level of table headers.
> Row 4:
> * Can the scope="col" from row 3 pertain to data
> in a nested table (needed for formatting) that
> contains the "x", which depicts where on the scale
> of 0 - 10 level of spiciness? And is the
> scope="row" in the nested table valid?
>
> The "x" would be an image with alt text indicate the
> numeric value on the scale.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Regards,
> Kharmen


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From: julian.rickards
Date: Tue, Mar 02 2004 7:29AM
Subject: RE: "scope" question regarding tables
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From what you have shown, I don't think scope would be sufficient. Yout
table is what I describe as a complex table and would therefore need
id/headers attributes but it could be simplified to use only scope or not
even scope.

Take out the table header row and make that text the <caption>.

Combine the "spicyness" name with the rating using either Mild (0-3) or
Mild<br>0-3 and that would reduce rows 2 and 3 to a single row.

The text "Special Price on Select Items" does not describe either the header
cells to the right or the cells below, I would suggest moving this text to
either the <caption> or outside of the table such as a heading preceding the
table (if you use both a heading and a caption, you could put "special
price..." as the caption and salsa sauces as the heading).

You may then wish to replace "Special Price ... " with "Product Names" or
something similar to describe the products below. Considering that the cells
to the right do not relate to each other well (Regular/Sale Price may to
each other but not in combination with Mild/Medium/Spicy: the only
similarity they have is to describe the cell contents below each).

Finally, you are left with one row of headers and data below. This is now a
simple table and, in my books, as long as you mark up the top row with <th>,
you don't really need scope at all although I believe Paul, in another
posting, recommended using it anyway and I don't have a problem with that.

Jules

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