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From: Gupta, Gaurav k
Date: Tue, Aug 03 2021 5:48AM
Subject: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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Hello Experts,

Need help in understanding the issue.

Using JAWS browse mode if I am trying to read the data from a grid then auto scrolling is not happening.

Can anyone suggest what could be the reason?


Regards
Gaurav



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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Aug 03 2021 10:20AM
Subject: Re: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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A screen reader createsw an off-screen model (aka virtual buffer) with
the page content. In browse mode you are solely interacting with that
content so you are not sending events to the webpage (not unless yuou
do something in the virtual buffer that submits an event to the page,
e.g. pressing the tab key to change the programmatic focus or interact
with/click on an element).

There were ideas about a more interactive browse mode (e.g. the ARIA
1.1 proposed implementation of implementing a feed using the feed and
article roles) but I believe that feature was never supported by
screen reader vendors.

On 8/3/21, Gupta, Gaurav k via WebAIM-Forum
< = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hello Experts,
>
> Need help in understanding the issue.
>
> Using JAWS browse mode if I am trying to read the data from a grid then auto
> scrolling is not happening.
>
> Can anyone suggest what could be the reason?
>
>
> Regards
> Gaurav
>
>
>
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From: Mallory
Date: Tue, Aug 03 2021 10:36AM
Subject: Re: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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Hm, but * web pages * do scroll with browse mode in JAWS, NVDA and Orca (and I recall back when Firefox did NOT scroll for Orca... people on the Orca mailing list asked about it and eventually it got fixed, though I think the fix had to be on Mozilla's side...).

But I'm not sure if moving around a data grid has the same trigger as a page scroll, so it sounds like Birkir is right about why it's not scrolling: the browser doesn't "see" the virtual cursor in that, meaning the widget can't react.

_mallory

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> A screen reader createsw an off-screen model (aka virtual buffer) with
> the page content. In browse mode you are solely interacting with that
> content so you are not sending events to the webpage (not unless yuou
> do something in the virtual buffer that submits an event to the page,
> e.g. pressing the tab key to change the programmatic focus or interact
> with/click on an element).
>
> There were ideas about a more interactive browse mode (e.g. the ARIA
> 1.1 proposed implementation of implementing a feed using the feed and
> article roles) but I believe that feature was never supported by
> screen reader vendors.
>
> On 8/3/21, Gupta, Gaurav k via WebAIM-Forum
> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Hello Experts,
> >
> > Need help in understanding the issue.
> >
> > Using JAWS browse mode if I am trying to read the data from a grid then auto
> > scrolling is not happening.
> >
> > Can anyone suggest what could be the reason?
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Gaurav
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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From: Don Mauck
Date: Tue, Aug 03 2021 11:14AM
Subject: Re: [External] :Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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There are TableScroll's that in the case of JAWS only work if you tab into the table, which is really an ARIA Grid, then the scrolling usually takes place from the bottom. If in the case of JAWS you use the "t" command, you should be able to press enter to start the scrolling. There is a bug on this with Vispero. It should work that no matter how you get into the TableScroll, it should work much like NVDA.

From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Tue, Aug 03 2021 12:39PM
Subject: Re: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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Does the page scroll if you use only arrow keys and screen reader
shortcut keys (like h, b, f etc.) to navigate a page?
When I demo something with a screen reader I always seem to require
using the tab key to navigate to a focusable element I am
demonstrating, else people often don't see my location on the page and
sometimes don't even see the content I am navigating (the first is
obviously just focus outline, but the second suggests to me that
virtual buffer scrolling that does not involve moving the actual focus
with the tab key is totally independent of the browser).


On 8/3/21, Mallory < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hm, but * web pages * do scroll with browse mode in JAWS, NVDA and Orca (and
> I recall back when Firefox did NOT scroll for Orca... people on the Orca
> mailing list asked about it and eventually it got fixed, though I think the
> fix had to be on Mozilla's side...).
>
> But I'm not sure if moving around a data grid has the same trigger as a page
> scroll, so it sounds like Birkir is right about why it's not scrolling: the
> browser doesn't "see" the virtual cursor in that, meaning the widget can't
> react.
>
> _mallory
>
> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
>> A screen reader createsw an off-screen model (aka virtual buffer) with
>> the page content. In browse mode you are solely interacting with that
>> content so you are not sending events to the webpage (not unless yuou
>> do something in the virtual buffer that submits an event to the page,
>> e.g. pressing the tab key to change the programmatic focus or interact
>> with/click on an element).
>>
>> There were ideas about a more interactive browse mode (e.g. the ARIA
>> 1.1 proposed implementation of implementing a feed using the feed and
>> article roles) but I believe that feature was never supported by
>> screen reader vendors.
>>
>> On 8/3/21, Gupta, Gaurav k via WebAIM-Forum
>> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> > Hello Experts,
>> >
>> > Need help in understanding the issue.
>> >
>> > Using JAWS browse mode if I am trying to read the data from a grid then
>> > auto
>> > scrolling is not happening.
>> >
>> > Can anyone suggest what could be the reason?
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Gaurav
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged,
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From: Mallory
Date: Fri, Aug 06 2021 10:53AM
Subject: Re: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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Yeah, the pages scroll. Although maybe it matters that I have some visual stuff set "on" in JAWS and NVDA: I see highlights with JAWS and I think I have an old add-on to NVDA which does the same (it's good for demoing).

Although it's not uncommon for the virtual focus to go offscreen a bit, but if I keep going the page will scroll. This sometimes happens to me with regular keyboard focus too, but always eventually I get a page scroll.

cheers,
_mallory

On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> Does the page scroll if you use only arrow keys and screen reader
> shortcut keys (like h, b, f etc.) to navigate a page?
> When I demo something with a screen reader I always seem to require
> using the tab key to navigate to a focusable element I am
> demonstrating, else people often don't see my location on the page and
> sometimes don't even see the content I am navigating (the first is
> obviously just focus outline, but the second suggests to me that
> virtual buffer scrolling that does not involve moving the actual focus
> with the tab key is totally independent of the browser).
>
>
> On 8/3/21, Mallory < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> > Hm, but * web pages * do scroll with browse mode in JAWS, NVDA and Orca (and
> > I recall back when Firefox did NOT scroll for Orca... people on the Orca
> > mailing list asked about it and eventually it got fixed, though I think the
> > fix had to be on Mozilla's side...).
> >
> > But I'm not sure if moving around a data grid has the same trigger as a page
> > scroll, so it sounds like Birkir is right about why it's not scrolling: the
> > browser doesn't "see" the virtual cursor in that, meaning the widget can't
> > react.
> >
> > _mallory
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, at 6:20 PM, Birkir R. Gunnarsson wrote:
> >> A screen reader createsw an off-screen model (aka virtual buffer) with
> >> the page content. In browse mode you are solely interacting with that
> >> content so you are not sending events to the webpage (not unless yuou
> >> do something in the virtual buffer that submits an event to the page,
> >> e.g. pressing the tab key to change the programmatic focus or interact
> >> with/click on an element).
> >>
> >> There were ideas about a more interactive browse mode (e.g. the ARIA
> >> 1.1 proposed implementation of implementing a feed using the feed and
> >> article roles) but I believe that feature was never supported by
> >> screen reader vendors.
> >>
> >> On 8/3/21, Gupta, Gaurav k via WebAIM-Forum
> >> < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> >> > Hello Experts,
> >> >
> >> > Need help in understanding the issue.
> >> >
> >> > Using JAWS browse mode if I am trying to read the data from a grid then
> >> > auto
> >> > scrolling is not happening.
> >> >
> >> > Can anyone suggest what could be the reason?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Gaurav
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >> > This message w/attachments (message) is intended solely for the use of
> >> > the
> >> > intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged,
> >> > confidential or proprietary. If you are not an intended recipient,
> >> > please
> >> > notify the sender, and then please delete and destroy all copies and
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> >> > taking of any action in reliance on, the information contained in or
> >> > attached to this message is prohibited.
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> >> > service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official
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> >> > enforcement,
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From: Andrews, David B (DEED)
Date: Fri, Aug 06 2021 3:33PM
Subject: Re: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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NVDA has settings, already there to highlight different focus modes as you go through things.

Dave

From: Mallory
Date: Wed, Aug 11 2021 4:07AM
Subject: Re: Query regarding scrolling Issue when accessing webpage with browse mode
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Yeah NVDA later made it that you don't need a separate plugin to highlight where the cursor/focus is, but I just never removed mine.

On Fri, Aug 6, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Andrews, David B (DEED) wrote:
> NVDA has settings, already there to highlight different focus modes as
> you go through things.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>