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From: mbullis
Date: Wed, Feb 09 2022 12:31PM
Subject: group start and group end
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We're creating a fund-raising page for folks to contribute and with Jaws
2022, each new funding opportunity begins with the words "group start" and
then the text one line below it, and finishes with "group end."
What are group start and group end and how to I get Jaws to stop speaking
them?
Here's the site.
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From: Patrick H. Lauke
Date: Wed, Feb 09 2022 12:52PM
Subject: Re: group start and group end
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On 09/02/2022 19:31, = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = wrote:
> We're creating a fund-raising page for folks to contribute and with Jaws
> 2022, each new funding opportunity begins with the words "group start" and
> then the text one line below it, and finishes with "group end."
>
> What are group start and group end and how to I get Jaws to stop speaking
> them?
Each opportunity is wrapped in a <fieldset> ... </fieldset> structure -
which is correct from a structural/semantic point of view, so I'd
strongly recommend leaving them there.
Whether JAWS has a setting where you can suppress the announcement of
groups when entering/leaving them, I'm not sure I'm afraid.
P
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From: David Farough
Date: Wed, Feb 09 2022 1:16PM
Subject: Re: group start and group end
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Patrick is right.
This is due to the use of the field set which indicates the beginning and end of a group of elements.
This is a setting that a user of Jaws can control.
This is nothing for you to worry about.
This can be accessed from the Jaws configuration manager.
The setting is called Web Verbosity.
The default setting is medium.
This is the description of the setting which appears there.
Use this combo box to select a Virtual Cursor verbosity level. The verbosity level determines the amount of information spoken by JAWS when the Virtual Cursor is active. Each of the three levels is preset to give a different amount of detail and can be further configured to give only the information you want to hear. The default verbosity level is Medium, which creates an optimal user experience for most websites and documents.
You can selectively configure each web verbosity level according to your preference.
You will find as you tab through the page that Jaws will speak the legend for the group when you tab to the first item in the group.
The group start and group end will be spoken only when you sequentially arrow through the page.
David
From: Hayman, Douglass
Date: Wed, Feb 09 2022 3:32PM
Subject: Re: - group start and group end
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Michael,
It looks like that is JAWS way of indicating when you enter and exit a fieldset. Tried it first with NVDA and wasn't getting where it was you were running into this.
On looking at the same page with JAWS, finally saw what you were talking about.
If you go to this page with JAWS and go to say, the Checkboxes area that also uses a fieldset (as a best practice) it too announces that start and stop.
https://webaim.org/techniques/forms/controls
So I wouldn't be bothered/alarmed by those being announced as it appears to be what JAWS does to help out.
Guessing that if you used JAWS and looked at a properly marked up order form that had separate Shipping Address and Billing Address that those too would use field sets and help you to know that you were entering in the correct areas if shipping and billing addresses varied.
Doug Hayman
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Information Technology
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