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From: Joelle Tegwen
Date: Fri, Feb 18 2005 1:58PM
Subject: Semantic structure of forms with non-form steps
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I'm designing activities for students to do and some of the activities are
like this:
Step 1: Do something
Step 2: Do another thing
Step 3: Do a third thing and answer these questions:
a: question 1:
b: question 2:
c: question 3:
Step 4: Do another thing and answer these questions:
a: question 1:
b: question 2:
c: question 3:

Normally I would take the textareas a, b,c and put them in a fieldset with
the instructions of the question in the legend (or a short version in the
legend and the description in the paragraph.

However, I would like 1 & 2 to not only look the same, but come across the
same semantically (to screen headers, people without css, etc)

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance.
Joelle Tegwen

From: Webmaster
Date: Fri, Feb 18 2005 11:33PM
Subject: Re: Semantic structure of forms with non-form steps
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http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/dynamicforms.html

look at this. i could not believe my eyes at first. A.

Joelle Tegwen wrote:
> I'm designing activities for students to do and some of the activities are
> like this:
> Step 1: Do something
> Step 2: Do another thing
> Step 3: Do a third thing and answer these questions:
> a: question 1:
> b: question 2:
> c: question 3:
> Step 4: Do another thing and answer these questions:
> a: question 1:
> b: question 2:
> c: question 3:
>
>
> Normally I would take the textareas a, b,c and put them in a fieldset with
> the instructions of the question in the legend (or a short version in the
> legend and the description in the paragraph.
>
> However, I would like 1 & 2 to not only look the same, but come across the
> same semantically (to screen headers, people without css, etc)
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Joelle Tegwen
>
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From: Joelle Tegwen
Date: Mon, Feb 21 2005 7:07AM
Subject: Re: Semantic structure of forms with non-form steps
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The problem with this, that I see, is that users without JavaScript wouldn't
get the whole form. That's not acceptable for our audience.

Thanks though,
Joelle

From: Tim Beadle
Date: Mon, Feb 21 2005 7:34AM
Subject: Re: Semantic structure of forms with non-form steps
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"Joelle Tegwen" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote on 21/02/2005 14:06:23:
> The problem with this, that I see, is that users without JavaScript
wouldn't
> get the whole form. That's not acceptable for our audience.

Try Simon Willison's article "Simple Tricks for More Usable Forms"
at Sitepoint:
http://www.sitepoint.com/article/simple-tricks-usable-forms

He's a firm believer in progressive enhancement, so
the examples still work if JavaScript isn't present.

Regards,

Tim

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From: Joelle Tegwen
Date: Mon, Feb 21 2005 8:54AM
Subject: Re: Semantic structure of forms with non-form steps
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Those are all very cool. I'll keep
them in mind for the next round.
 
Does anyone have ideas for which HTML
markup would be best for mixing "do on your own" information and "fill out the
form" information?
 
Thanks
Joelle

From: tim.beadle [mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 8:32 AMTo: WebAIM
Discussion ListSubject: Re: [WebAIM] Semantic structure of forms with
non-form steps
"Joelle Tegwen" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote
on 21/02/2005 14:06:23:> The problem with this, that I see, is that users
without JavaScript wouldn't> get the whole form. That's not acceptable
for our audience.Try Simon Willison's article "Simple Tricks for More
Usable Forms" at Sitepoint: http://www.sitepoint.com/article/simple-tricks-usable-forms
He's a firm believer in progressive enhancement, so the
examples still work if JavaScript isn't present. Regards, TimInstitute of PhysicsRegistered charity No. 29385176
Portland Place, London, W1B 1NT, EnglandIOP Publishing
LimitedRegistered in England under Registration No 467514.Registered
Office: Dirac House, Temple Back, Bristol BS1 6BE EnglandThis e-mail
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