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From: Tim Beadle
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 2:40AM
Subject: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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Hi all,

Have any of the UK-based list members had a chance to review the new
BSI guidelines for developing accessible websites (PAS 78)?

It costs

From: Patrick Lauke
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 3:10AM
Subject: RE: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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> Tim Beadle

> Have any of the UK-based list members had a chance to review the new
> BSI guidelines for developing accessible websites (PAS 78)?

I attended the launch event and got a copy of it as part of the delegate
pack. Haven't studied all the details, but had the good fortune of
sitting next to Bruce Lawson, who was involved in the review process
and gave me a "guided tour" of some of the highlights.

He's written up a good little overview
<http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2006/pas-78-guide-to-good-practice-in-commissioning-accessible-websites/>;

Other interesting pieces of the PAS:
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4783686.stm>;
<http://www.out-law.com/page-6713>;
<http://www.gawds.org/show.php?contentid=159>;


> Just wondering whether it will be a waste of

From: Tim Beadle
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 3:20AM
Subject: Re: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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On 16/03/06, Patrick Lauke < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> I attended the launch event and got a copy of it as part of the delegate
> pack. Haven't studied all the details, but had the good fortune of
> sitting next to Bruce Lawson, who was involved in the review process
> and gave me a "guided tour" of some of the highlights.
>
> He's written up a good little overview
> <http://www.brucelawson.co.uk/index.php/2006/pas-78-guide-to-good-practice-in-commissioning-accessible-websites/>;
>
> Other interesting pieces of the PAS:
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4783686.stm>;
> <http://www.out-law.com/page-6713>;
> <http://www.gawds.org/show.php?contentid=159>;
>
>
> > Just wondering whether it will be a waste of

From: L
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 3:40AM
Subject: RE: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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Patrick Lauke wrote:

"> Just wondering whether it will be a waste of

From: Patrick Lauke
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 4:00AM
Subject: RE: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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> L

From: L
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 4:10AM
Subject: RE: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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Patrick Lauke wrote:

"You know, I was wondering about that myself. I thought maybe they had two different types of "goodie bags" to cater for the different attendees. They obviously hadn't thought that one out too well. *sigh*

Incidentally, spotted you in the afternoon at the launch event, but then got caught in a discussion at the end of the day. Otherwise I would have come over to say hi *smile"

They did ask if I'd like an alternative format copy, but I guess the information got garbled somewhere between booking a place and actually getting there.

It was a good day for discussions, not least because it was the best round up of all the usual accessibility suspects in a long time! If you spot me next time, shout and I'll wander over.

Regards,
L

From: Tim Beadle
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 4:50AM
Subject: Re: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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On 16/03/06, Tim Beadle < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> It is sponsored by the Disability Rights Commission and gets the
> thumbs up from the RNIB, so something tells me that all may not be
> well with it (or am I allowing my view to be coloured by past experience
> of the RNIB? Who knows...).

I've just had a phone call from Julie Howell at the RNIB, and I wanted
to clarify my above comments.

I was involved in some work probably three or four years ago to get
"See It Right" accreditation from the RNIB for one of our online
services. My experience then wasn't entirely great as, try as we
might, we could not meet the accreditation criteria. The outstanding
issue was alternative access to multimedia, as I recall, which is
difficult to achieve when the multimedia is, say, an animation
depicting a moving waveform in a physics experiment.

I'm sorry to say that I allowed that experience to colour my comments
this morning, and for that I would like to apologise. Julie has
explained to me how the RNIB is a markedly different organization than
it was when I last dealt with it, and how much consultation and buy-in
from the community there has been with PAS 78.

Thanks to Julie for telephoning me personally and giving me the background.

Best regards,

Tim

From: Patrick Lauke
Date: Thu, Mar 16 2006 6:10AM
Subject: RE: UK BSI PAS 78 guide
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> Tim Beadle

> Thanks to Julie for telephoning me personally and giving me
> the background.

To piggy-back onto that, I have to congratulate the RNIB in
general (and Julie in particular) for their outstanding PR work
in the run up to, and now following, the launch of the PAS.

Good stuff! It really shows your commitment to working with
the accessibility community (if there was ever any doubt)!

P
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Patrick H. Lauke
Web Editor / University of Salford
http://www.salford.ac.uk
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Web Standards Project (WaSP) Accessibility Task Force
http://webstandards.org/
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