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From: McDonald, Jennifer
Date: Wed, Jul 20 2011 10:36AM
Subject: Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
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Does anyone have any statics on JAWS version usage and browser version
usage? We're working with WAI ARIA and we want to get an idea of the
audience we will affect.
If you are a user of JAWS what version do you use and what browser and
version do you use with it?
Jeni
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From: Barry Johnson
Date: Wed, Jul 20 2011 10:48AM
Subject: Re: Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
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On Jul 20, 2011 12:37 PM, "McDonald, Jennifer" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Does anyone have any statics on JAWS version usage and browser version
> usage? We're working with WAI ARIA and we want to get an idea of the
> audience we will affect.
>
> If you are a user of JAWS what version do you use and what browser and
> version do you use with it?
>
> Jeni
>
>
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From: McDonald, Jennifer
Date: Wed, Jul 20 2011 10:57AM
Subject: Re: Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
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Thanks. I've reviewed that and was looking for a little more specific
information. Is anyone still on JAWS 9? Do people who use JAWS update
IE when a new version is out? Things like that. Would anyone who is
using JAWS 12 still be using IE7? I'm trying to get a feel of how people
maintain their versions.
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Barry
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On Jul 20, 2011 12:37 PM, "McDonald, Jennifer" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> Does anyone have any statics on JAWS version usage and browser version
> usage? We're working with WAI ARIA and we want to get an idea of the
> audience we will affect.
>
> If you are a user of JAWS what version do you use and what browser and
> version do you use with it?
>
> Jeni
>
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From: Steve Green
Date: Wed, Jul 20 2011 11:27AM
Subject: Re: Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
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In our experience it is not unusual for people to be using JAWS versions
that are 4 versions old or more. The main reason is the cost of upgrading,
but that's not the only reason.
We recently did some work for the UK Home Office, and their standard desktop
had JAWS 8. They only update the standard desktop every few years, so they
can get well out of date in terms of browser and AT versions. This is not
uncommon with organisation that have to support tens of thousands of
desktops.
I know some people who always upgrade everything to the latest version and
others who never upgrade anything for the entire life of their machine -
there is no 'typical' behaviour.
Bear in mind that a disproportionate number of blind and visually impaired
people are unemployed or in low-paid jobs, so the cost of upgrading their AT
is very significant. Also some are wary about changing a system that works -
screen magnifier users have endless problems with ZoomText and Windows
upgrades, although JAWS does not appear to be as bad. If a user's AT does
not work after an upgrade, it can be especially difficult for them to fix
it.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
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Jennifer
Sent: 20 July 2011 17:54
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
Thanks. I've reviewed that and was looking for a little more specific
information. Is anyone still on JAWS 9? Do people who use JAWS update IE
when a new version is out? Things like that. Would anyone who is using JAWS
12 still be using IE7? I'm trying to get a feel of how people maintain their
versions.
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
WebAIM.org/projects/screenreadersurvey3/
Barry
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On Jul 20, 2011 12:37 PM, "McDonald, Jennifer" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
wrote:
> Does anyone have any statics on JAWS version usage and browser version
> usage? We're working with WAI ARIA and we want to get an idea of the
> audience we will affect.
>
> If you are a user of JAWS what version do you use and what browser and
> version do you use with it?
>
> Jeni
>
>
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From: David Farough
Date: Wed, Jul 20 2011 1:24PM
Subject: Re: Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
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Another factor that comes into play is that for Languages other than
English, it often takes a significant amount of time to Update these
versions. I have heard that people using French versions of Jaws might
be 3 or 4 versions behind.
David Farough
Application Accessibility Coordinator/coordonateur de l'accessibilité
Information Technology Services Directorate /
Direction des services d'information technologiques
Public Service Commission / Commission de la fonction publique
Email / Courriel: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Tel. / Tél: (613) 992-2779
>>> "Steve Green" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > 01:27 PM Wednesday, July
20, 2011 >>>
In our experience it is not unusual for people to be using JAWS
versions
that are 4 versions old or more. The main reason is the cost of
upgrading,
but that's not the only reason.
We recently did some work for the UK Home Office, and their standard
desktop
had JAWS 8. They only update the standard desktop every few years, so
they
can get well out of date in terms of browser and AT versions. This is
not
uncommon with organisation that have to support tens of thousands of
desktops.
I know some people who always upgrade everything to the latest version
and
others who never upgrade anything for the entire life of their machine
-
there is no 'typical' behaviour.
Bear in mind that a disproportionate number of blind and visually
impaired
people are unemployed or in low-paid jobs, so the cost of upgrading
their AT
is very significant. Also some are wary about changing a system that
works -
screen magnifier users have endless problems with ZoomText and Windows
upgrades, although JAWS does not appear to be as bad. If a user's AT
does
not work after an upgrade, it can be especially difficult for them to
fix
it.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
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From: Hoffman, Allen
Date: Thu, Jul 21 2011 2:21PM
Subject: Re: Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
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Test without screen readers and you will know if things are coded so they are supposed to work.
I recommend using WAT, Object Inspector, and Ferret.
Firebug is great also.
Use a standards based test process which addresses all the relevant accessibility requirements and test for all relevant disabilities, e.g. blind, low-vision, deaf, hard-of-hearing, motor disabilities, speech disabilities, cognitive.
If they don't, you have a better idea where the problem is.
Just as a browser incompatibility can cause you to write code, then workaround code, andthen some more workaround code, you could do that for AT products and version--but who wants to do that? Why should you do that?
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Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
Another factor that comes into play is that for Languages other than
English, it often takes a significant amount of time to Update these
versions. I have heard that people using French versions of Jaws might
be 3 or 4 versions behind.
David Farough
Application Accessibility Coordinator/coordonateur de l'accessibilité
Information Technology Services Directorate /
Direction des services d'information technologiques
Public Service Commission / Commission de la fonction publique
Email / Courriel: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
Tel. / Tél: (613) 992-2779
>>> "Steve Green" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > 01:27 PM Wednesday, July
20, 2011 >>>
In our experience it is not unusual for people to be using JAWS
versions
that are 4 versions old or more. The main reason is the cost of
upgrading,
but that's not the only reason.
We recently did some work for the UK Home Office, and their standard
desktop
had JAWS 8. They only update the standard desktop every few years, so
they
can get well out of date in terms of browser and AT versions. This is
not
uncommon with organisation that have to support tens of thousands of
desktops.
I know some people who always upgrade everything to the latest version
and
others who never upgrade anything for the entire life of their machine
-
there is no 'typical' behaviour.
Bear in mind that a disproportionate number of blind and visually
impaired
people are unemployed or in low-paid jobs, so the cost of upgrading
their AT
is very significant. Also some are wary about changing a system that
works -
screen magnifier users have endless problems with ZoomText and Windows
upgrades, although JAWS does not appear to be as bad. If a user's AT
does
not work after an upgrade, it can be especially difficult for them to
fix
it.
Steve Green
Managing Director
Test Partners Ltd
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From: Christophe Strobbe
Date: Mon, Jul 25 2011 3:21AM
Subject: Re: Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
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At 19:27 20-7-2011, Steve Green wrote:
>In our experience it is not unusual for people to be using JAWS versions
>that are 4 versions old or more. The main reason is the cost of upgrading,
>but that's not the only reason.
I can confirm the same for Belgium. Even though refund schemes exist, it
is still possible to meet users who are at JAWS 7. (You can't apply for
a refund every year.)
Best regards,
Christophe
>We recently did some work for the UK Home Office, and their standard desktop
>had JAWS 8. They only update the standard desktop every few years, so they
>can get well out of date in terms of browser and AT versions. This is not
>uncommon with organisation that have to support tens of thousands of
>desktops.
>
>I know some people who always upgrade everything to the latest version and
>others who never upgrade anything for the entire life of their machine -
>there is no 'typical' behaviour.
>
>Bear in mind that a disproportionate number of blind and visually impaired
>people are unemployed or in low-paid jobs, so the cost of upgrading their AT
>is very significant. Also some are wary about changing a system that works -
>screen magnifier users have endless problems with ZoomText and Windows
>upgrades, although JAWS does not appear to be as bad. If a user's AT does
>not work after an upgrade, it can be especially difficult for them to fix
>it.
>
>Steve Green
>Managing Director
>Test Partners Ltd
>
>
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>Jennifer
>Sent: 20 July 2011 17:54
>To: WebAIM Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
>
>Thanks. I've reviewed that and was looking for a little more specific
>information. Is anyone still on JAWS 9? Do people who use JAWS update IE
>when a new version is out? Things like that. Would anyone who is using JAWS
>12 still be using IE7? I'm trying to get a feel of how people maintain their
>versions.
>
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>[mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ] On Behalf Of Barry Johnson
>Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:46 AM
>To: WebAIM Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Usage Statistics? JAWS and IE
>
>WebAIM.org/projects/screenreadersurvey3/
>
>Barry
>*****************
>On Jul 20, 2011 12:37 PM, "McDonald, Jennifer" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>wrote:
> > Does anyone have any statics on JAWS version usage and browser version
>
> > usage? We're working with WAI ARIA and we want to get an idea of the
> > audience we will affect.
> >
> > If you are a user of JAWS what version do you use and what browser and
>
> > version do you use with it?
> >
> > Jeni
> >
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