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From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Sun, Jul 01 2012 9:24PM
Subject: PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
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Hi All,

I am tagging a PDF, and mid-way through the third page, when I
highlight a chunk of text, the tag does not show up in the tags or
reading order panels. I checked all the tags within the tags panel,
and it isn't hiding anywhere. When I open the content panel, the
respective tag is right there. I thought I might have deselected
before clicking the button, so I have the tag's container nested
several times.

/ Aside
I know in the tags panel a list goes has a label and a lbody tag per
list item, and that is wrapped in a list tag. Does/Should this
structure be in the content panel or should only label and lbody
containers be in there, and at the same [hierarchy] level?

--
Ryan E. Benson

From: Bim Egan
Date: Mon, Jul 02 2012 4:54PM
Subject: Re: PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
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Hi Ryan,

Have you tried using the "Find from selection" feature in the Tags panel
options? If not, do this by highlighting a word or two in the part of the
text that seems not to be tagged, then going to the Tags panel, right click
and select "Find in selection". If the selected text, can't be found, then
it isn't tagged. This can be a bit confusing as the content panel may seem
to show that it is within one of the items for that page, but it still may
not be.

The reason I suggest using the "Find from selection" feature is that content
may be tagged, but be completely out of order, such as being right at the
end of the document. In which case it should be dragged back to where it
should be.

Another means of checking is to take a text copy, then choose a unique
phrase in the part you aren't sure of and search for it.

On your asside, yes, it's the structure of tags doesn't show in the Contents
panel, only that the tag that contains the content.

Cheers,

Bim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan E. Benson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:24 AM
Subject: [WebAIM] PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel


> Hi All,
>
> I am tagging a PDF, and mid-way through the third page, when I
> highlight a chunk of text, the tag does not show up in the tags or
> reading order panels. I checked all the tags within the tags panel,
> and it isn't hiding anywhere. When I open the content panel, the
> respective tag is right there. I thought I might have deselected
> before clicking the button, so I have the tag's container nested
> several times.
>
> / Aside
> I know in the tags panel a list goes has a label and a lbody tag per
> list item, and that is wrapped in a list tag. Does/Should this
> structure be in the content panel or should only label and lbody
> containers be in there, and at the same [hierarchy] level?
>
> --
> Ryan E. Benson
> > >

From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Mon, Jul 02 2012 6:01PM
Subject: Re: PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
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Hi Bim,

Welcome to the group.

> Have you tried using the "Find from selection" feature in the Tags panel
> options?
Yes. It throws the not found error, even though I tagged the same line
30 seconds before. Going into the content panel, the text is nested in
one or more of whatever container I chose. Choosing a different one
from TouchUp reading order would just add to the nesting layer.

> The reason I suggest using the "Find from selection" feature is that content
> may be tagged, but be completely out of order, such as being right at the
> end of the document.
I am manually tagging this, and have expanded all tags, the tag nor
the words are in the tags tree. Same as above, I started looking right
after tagging,
--
Ryan E. Benson


On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Hi Ryan,
>
> Have you tried using the "Find from selection" feature in the Tags panel
> options? If not, do this by highlighting a word or two in the part of the
> text that seems not to be tagged, then going to the Tags panel, right click
> and select "Find in selection". If the selected text, can't be found, then
> it isn't tagged. This can be a bit confusing as the content panel may seem
> to show that it is within one of the items for that page, but it still may
> not be.
>
> The reason I suggest using the "Find from selection" feature is that content
> may be tagged, but be completely out of order, such as being right at the
> end of the document. In which case it should be dragged back to where it
> should be.
>
> Another means of checking is to take a text copy, then choose a unique
> phrase in the part you aren't sure of and search for it.
>
> On your asside, yes, it's the structure of tags doesn't show in the Contents
> panel, only that the tag that contains the content.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan E. Benson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:24 AM
> Subject: [WebAIM] PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
>
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I am tagging a PDF, and mid-way through the third page, when I
>> highlight a chunk of text, the tag does not show up in the tags or
>> reading order panels. I checked all the tags within the tags panel,
>> and it isn't hiding anywhere. When I open the content panel, the
>> respective tag is right there. I thought I might have deselected
>> before clicking the button, so I have the tag's container nested
>> several times.
>>
>> / Aside
>> I know in the tags panel a list goes has a label and a lbody tag per
>> list item, and that is wrapped in a list tag. Does/Should this
>> structure be in the content panel or should only label and lbody
>> containers be in there, and at the same [hierarchy] level?
>>
>> --
>> Ryan E. Benson
>> >> >> >
> > >

From: Bim Egan
Date: Tue, Jul 03 2012 9:22AM
Subject: Re: PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
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Thanks for the welcome Ryan,

Sorry my suggestion wasn't any help. I didn't realise you were hand
tagging. Have a feeling that I have found this on hand tagged files before.
I'll check my stock of files and do some experiments to see what can be
done.

Is there much text in the part that won't tag, and does it include any
content that should be tagged as a heading or other structural feature?

Cheers,

Bim

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan E. Benson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel


> Hi Bim,
>
> Welcome to the group.
>
>> Have you tried using the "Find from selection" feature in the Tags panel
>> options?
> Yes. It throws the not found error, even though I tagged the same line
> 30 seconds before. Going into the content panel, the text is nested in
> one or more of whatever container I chose. Choosing a different one
> from TouchUp reading order would just add to the nesting layer.
>
>> The reason I suggest using the "Find from selection" feature is that
>> content
>> may be tagged, but be completely out of order, such as being right at the
>> end of the document.
> I am manually tagging this, and have expanded all tags, the tag nor
> the words are in the tags tree. Same as above, I started looking right
> after tagging,
> --
> Ryan E. Benson
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> Hi Ryan,
>>
>> Have you tried using the "Find from selection" feature in the Tags panel
>> options? If not, do this by highlighting a word or two in the part of the
>> text that seems not to be tagged, then going to the Tags panel, right
>> click
>> and select "Find in selection". If the selected text, can't be found,
>> then
>> it isn't tagged. This can be a bit confusing as the content panel may
>> seem
>> to show that it is within one of the items for that page, but it still
>> may
>> not be.
>>
>> The reason I suggest using the "Find from selection" feature is that
>> content
>> may be tagged, but be completely out of order, such as being right at the
>> end of the document. In which case it should be dragged back to where it
>> should be.
>>
>> Another means of checking is to take a text copy, then choose a unique
>> phrase in the part you aren't sure of and search for it.
>>
>> On your asside, yes, it's the structure of tags doesn't show in the
>> Contents
>> panel, only that the tag that contains the content.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Bim
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ryan E. Benson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:24 AM
>> Subject: [WebAIM] PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
>>
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I am tagging a PDF, and mid-way through the third page, when I
>>> highlight a chunk of text, the tag does not show up in the tags or
>>> reading order panels. I checked all the tags within the tags panel,
>>> and it isn't hiding anywhere. When I open the content panel, the
>>> respective tag is right there. I thought I might have deselected
>>> before clicking the button, so I have the tag's container nested
>>> several times.
>>>
>>> / Aside
>>> I know in the tags panel a list goes has a label and a lbody tag per
>>> list item, and that is wrapped in a list tag. Does/Should this
>>> structure be in the content panel or should only label and lbody
>>> containers be in there, and at the same [hierarchy] level?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ryan E. Benson
>>> >>> >>> >>
>> >> >> > > >

From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Wed, Jul 04 2012 9:29PM
Subject: Re: PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
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Hi Bim,

I experienced this once before about a year ago. The PDF is 8 pages
long, the tags stopped showing up after I tag the first quarter of
page two. Once I pass that threshold, tags stop showing up on any
page.

--
Ryan E. Benson


On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:22 AM, Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Thanks for the welcome Ryan,
>
> Sorry my suggestion wasn't any help. I didn't realise you were hand
> tagging. Have a feeling that I have found this on hand tagged files before.
> I'll check my stock of files and do some experiments to see what can be
> done.
>
> Is there much text in the part that won't tag, and does it include any
> content that should be tagged as a heading or other structural feature?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan E. Benson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
> Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2012 1:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
>
>
>> Hi Bim,
>>
>> Welcome to the group.
>>
>>> Have you tried using the "Find from selection" feature in the Tags panel
>>> options?
>> Yes. It throws the not found error, even though I tagged the same line
>> 30 seconds before. Going into the content panel, the text is nested in
>> one or more of whatever container I chose. Choosing a different one
>> from TouchUp reading order would just add to the nesting layer.
>>
>>> The reason I suggest using the "Find from selection" feature is that
>>> content
>>> may be tagged, but be completely out of order, such as being right at the
>>> end of the document.
>> I am manually tagging this, and have expanded all tags, the tag nor
>> the words are in the tags tree. Same as above, I started looking right
>> after tagging,
>> --
>> Ryan E. Benson
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Bim Egan < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> Hi Ryan,
>>>
>>> Have you tried using the "Find from selection" feature in the Tags panel
>>> options? If not, do this by highlighting a word or two in the part of the
>>> text that seems not to be tagged, then going to the Tags panel, right
>>> click
>>> and select "Find in selection". If the selected text, can't be found,
>>> then
>>> it isn't tagged. This can be a bit confusing as the content panel may
>>> seem
>>> to show that it is within one of the items for that page, but it still
>>> may
>>> not be.
>>>
>>> The reason I suggest using the "Find from selection" feature is that
>>> content
>>> may be tagged, but be completely out of order, such as being right at the
>>> end of the document. In which case it should be dragged back to where it
>>> should be.
>>>
>>> Another means of checking is to take a text copy, then choose a unique
>>> phrase in the part you aren't sure of and search for it.
>>>
>>> On your asside, yes, it's the structure of tags doesn't show in the
>>> Contents
>>> panel, only that the tag that contains the content.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Bim
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Ryan E. Benson" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2012 4:24 AM
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I am tagging a PDF, and mid-way through the third page, when I
>>>> highlight a chunk of text, the tag does not show up in the tags or
>>>> reading order panels. I checked all the tags within the tags panel,
>>>> and it isn't hiding anywhere. When I open the content panel, the
>>>> respective tag is right there. I thought I might have deselected
>>>> before clicking the button, so I have the tag's container nested
>>>> several times.
>>>>
>>>> / Aside
>>>> I know in the tags panel a list goes has a label and a lbody tag per
>>>> list item, and that is wrapped in a list tag. Does/Should this
>>>> structure be in the content panel or should only label and lbody
>>>> containers be in there, and at the same [hierarchy] level?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ryan E. Benson
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
> > >

From: Duff Johnson
Date: Thu, Jul 05 2012 6:33AM
Subject: Re: PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
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Ryan,

This sounds more like some sort of memory or session-related bug than an issue with Acrobat per se. It might be a buggy file too.

If the problem persists after a system re-start I'd be happy to look at the file myself and if necessary, forward it (if permissible) to the folks who fix the tools you're using…

Duff.

On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ryan E. Benson wrote:

> Hi Bim,
>
> I experienced this once before about a year ago. The PDF is 8 pages
> long, the tags stopped showing up after I tag the first quarter of
> page two. Once I pass that threshold, tags stop showing up on any
> page.
>
> --
> Ryan E. Benson

From: Ryan E. Benson
Date: Thu, Jul 05 2012 7:16PM
Subject: Re: PDF: Tags not showing in the tags panel
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Thanks Duff, I will shoot you an e-mail from work in the morning. My
gut says the file is corrupted, but not bad enough that Acrobat/Reader
can still open it.

--
Ryan E. Benson


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 8:33 AM, Duff Johnson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Ryan,
>
> This sounds more like some sort of memory or session-related bug than an issue with Acrobat per se. It might be a buggy file too.
>
> If the problem persists after a system re-start I'd be happy to look at the file myself and if necessary, forward it (if permissible) to the folks who fix the tools you're using…
>
> Duff.
>
> On Jul 4, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ryan E. Benson wrote:
>
>> Hi Bim,
>>
>> I experienced this once before about a year ago. The PDF is 8 pages
>> long, the tags stopped showing up after I tag the first quarter of
>> page two. Once I pass that threshold, tags stop showing up on any
>> page.
>>
>> --
>> Ryan E. Benson
>
>
> > >