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From: glen walker
Date: Thu, Aug 08 2019 2:38PM
Subject: has anyone done remote training for ios voiceover? (via zoom preferred)
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I prefer onsite hands-on training when teaching how to use voiceover but
it's not possible in this situation. We'll be using zoom for the
screenshare (client's choice).

I'm working with sighted ios native app developers so they'll need to see
my hand gestures for the various voiceover interactions but I'll be
describing my actions too.

The only way I can think of sharing my gestures is with a webcam but would
need a stand-alone camera and not the one built into the laptop. And the
webcam would need a stand so it can be positioned over the iphone and be
static.

One of the problems, though, is that the phone looks washed out when coming
through the webcam and it's hard to see the screen. Not sure if I have to
play with the webcam settings and light exposure and such.

Another problem is that the camera has to be a sufficient distance from the
phone in order to see the entire phone. The microphone is on the webcam
and when too far from the phone, you can't hear voiceover coming through
the audio.

This is why I hate remote training.

But nonetheless, has anyone done remote training and has a good setup?

Perhaps I need a separate usb microphone that I place near the iphone
speakers so that the audio is picked up, and turn off the microphone on the
webcam?

From zoom, there's an option to share my computer screen but there's also
an option to share my iphone screen. While sharing the iphone screen
wouldn't help with demoing the gestures, it might come in handy but it
doesn't seem to work. The directions say to connect the iphone to the same
wifi as my laptop (check), go to screen mirroring on the iphone (check),
and choose the zoom app for sharing (check). At this point, it should
share but it just keeps spinning and eventually says it cannot connect to
zoom.

Any tips you can share would be appreciated.

Glen

From: Kathryn.Frederick@ood.ohio.gov
Date: Fri, Aug 09 2019 9:43AM
Subject: Re: has anyone done remote training for ios voiceover? (via zoom preferred)
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When you're trying to share the iPhone screen with Zoom, are you also connected to Zoom on the laptop? I've participated in a session where Voiceover was demoed for sighted developers using Zoom, and both the laptop and phone were connected to the same Zoom meeting...

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Subject: [WebAIM] has anyone done remote training for ios voiceover? (via zoom preferred)

I prefer onsite hands-on training when teaching how to use voiceover but it's not possible in this situation. We'll be using zoom for the screenshare (client's choice).

I'm working with sighted ios native app developers so they'll need to see my hand gestures for the various voiceover interactions but I'll be describing my actions too.

The only way I can think of sharing my gestures is with a webcam but would need a stand-alone camera and not the one built into the laptop. And the webcam would need a stand so it can be positioned over the iphone and be static.

One of the problems, though, is that the phone looks washed out when coming through the webcam and it's hard to see the screen. Not sure if I have to play with the webcam settings and light exposure and such.

Another problem is that the camera has to be a sufficient distance from the phone in order to see the entire phone. The microphone is on the webcam and when too far from the phone, you can't hear voiceover coming through the audio.

This is why I hate remote training.

But nonetheless, has anyone done remote training and has a good setup?

Perhaps I need a separate usb microphone that I place near the iphone speakers so that the audio is picked up, and turn off the microphone on the webcam?

From zoom, there's an option to share my computer screen but there's also an option to share my iphone screen. While sharing the iphone screen wouldn't help with demoing the gestures, it might come in handy but it doesn't seem to work. The directions say to connect the iphone to the same wifi as my laptop (check), go to screen mirroring on the iphone (check), and choose the zoom app for sharing (check). At this point, it should share but it just keeps spinning and eventually says it cannot connect to zoom.

Any tips you can share would be appreciated.

Glen

From: Don Raikes
Date: Fri, Aug 09 2019 10:34AM
Subject: Re: has anyone done remote training for ios voiceover? (via zoom preferred)
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Glenn,

I am also doing some remote Ios training using zoom, and I/our team has an Epson webcam with stand that sits about 1 foot above the IPhone. We had to play with the screen brightness level on the phone so the picture wouldn't be washed out. I believe we settled on a brightness setting of about 6%.

We also took a cardboard box, and placed the webcam and phone in it to cut down on glare from external sources. To make things easier sinceI am blind and to ensure the camera is positioned directly over the phone we created a template from another piece of cardboard with a cutout for the phone. The template is taped in place so when I put the phone in the cutout it is directly under the camera.
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Subject: [WebAIM] has anyone done remote training for ios voiceover? (via zoom preferred)

I prefer onsite hands-on training when teaching how to use voiceover but it's not possible in this situation. We'll be using zoom for the screenshare (client's choice).

I'm working with sighted ios native app developers so they'll need to see my hand gestures for the various voiceover interactions but I'll be describing my actions too.

The only way I can think of sharing my gestures is with a webcam but would need a stand-alone camera and not the one built into the laptop. And the webcam would need a stand so it can be positioned over the iphone and be static.

One of the problems, though, is that the phone looks washed out when coming through the webcam and it's hard to see the screen. Not sure if I have to play with the webcam settings and light exposure and such.

Another problem is that the camera has to be a sufficient distance from the phone in order to see the entire phone. The microphone is on the webcam and when too far from the phone, you can't hear voiceover coming through the audio.

This is why I hate remote training.

But nonetheless, has anyone done remote training and has a good setup?

Perhaps I need a separate usb microphone that I place near the iphone speakers so that the audio is picked up, and turn off the microphone on the webcam?

From zoom, there's an option to share my computer screen but there's also an option to share my iphone screen. While sharing the iphone screen wouldn't help with demoing the gestures, it might come in handy but it doesn't seem to work. The directions say to connect the iphone to the same wifi as my laptop (check), go to screen mirroring on the iphone (check), and choose the zoom app for sharing (check). At this point, it should share but it just keeps spinning and eventually says it cannot connect to zoom.

Any tips you can share would be appreciated.

Glen

From: Chanel Carlascio
Date: Fri, Aug 09 2019 12:05PM
Subject: Re: has anyone done remote training for ios voiceover? (via zoom preferred)
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Here are the instructions for how to share your iPhone screen during a zoom
meeting:

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/115005890803-iOS-Screen-Sharing

Looks pretty straightforward.

If you try this, let us know how it turns out!


On August 9, 2019 at 9:34:29 AM, Don Raikes ( = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = ) wrote:

Glenn,

I am also doing some remote Ios training using zoom, and I/our team has an
Epson webcam with stand that sits about 1 foot above the IPhone. We had to
play with the screen brightness level on the phone so the picture wouldn't
be washed out. I believe we settled on a brightness setting of about 6%.

We also took a cardboard box, and placed the webcam and phone in it to cut
down on glare from external sources. To make things easier sinceI am blind
and to ensure the camera is positioned directly over the phone we created a
template from another piece of cardboard with a cutout for the phone. The
template is taped in place so when I put the phone in the cutout it is
directly under the camera.
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From: glen walker < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Sent: Thursday, August 8, 2019 1:39 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
Subject: [WebAIM] has anyone done remote training for ios voiceover? (via
zoom preferred)

I prefer onsite hands-on training when teaching how to use voiceover but
it's not possible in this situation. We'll be using zoom for the
screenshare (client's choice).

I'm working with sighted ios native app developers so they'll need to see
my hand gestures for the various voiceover interactions but I'll be
describing my actions too.

The only way I can think of sharing my gestures is with a webcam but would
need a stand-alone camera and not the one built into the laptop. And the
webcam would need a stand so it can be positioned over the iphone and be
static.

One of the problems, though, is that the phone looks washed out when coming
through the webcam and it's hard to see the screen. Not sure if I have to
play with the webcam settings and light exposure and such.

Another problem is that the camera has to be a sufficient distance from the
phone in order to see the entire phone. The microphone is on the webcam and
when too far from the phone, you can't hear voiceover coming through the
audio.

This is why I hate remote training.

But nonetheless, has anyone done remote training and has a good setup?

Perhaps I need a separate usb microphone that I place near the iphone
speakers so that the audio is picked up, and turn off the microphone on the
webcam?

From zoom, there's an option to share my computer screen but there's also
an option to share my iphone screen. While sharing the iphone screen
wouldn't help with demoing the gestures, it might come in handy but it
doesn't seem to work. The directions say to connect the iphone to the same
wifi as my laptop (check), go to screen mirroring on the iphone (check),
and choose the zoom app for sharing (check). At this point, it should share
but it just keeps spinning and eventually says it cannot connect to zoom.

Any tips you can share would be appreciated.

Glen
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