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From: Itzel McClaren (US - IFS)
Date: Sun, Sep 20 2020 8:25PM
Subject: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 186, Issue 17
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Thanks very much for your replies! Very useful.

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> 1. Re: Vr accessibility guidance? (Jonathan Avila)
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> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 18:12:11 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Vr accessibility guidance?
> The XR Accessibility User Requirements working draft document can be found
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> Hello team, is anyone doing VR? Any tips and guidelines to share?
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> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 19:06:51 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] [EXT] Vr accessibility guidance?
> Itzel,
> You may want to visit with Larry Goldberg who is the head of accessibility
> at Verizon Media. Two years ago, he initiated a meeting of folks
> interested in and doing augmented, virtual, and mixed reality work to make
> sure accessibilty is part of what is going on. I know some of this was put
> on the XR Resource page<
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> Good luck!
> Cyndi
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> Hello team, is anyone doing VR? Any tips and guidelines to share?
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> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:04:18 +0200
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] mathml in nested div with role=button not read by
> JAWS
> For a test, we had a vertical list of radio controls with A, B, C, D etc
> next to them as labels.
> Then another vertical list next to that, with like
> A. [formula 1]
> B. [formula 2]
> etc
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2020, at 7:48 PM, Mike Warner wrote:
> > Thanks, Mallory and Michael! I'm unsure of the best way to build the
> > legend (like map legend, not legend tag) you mention. Can you describe
> it
> > a bit more?
> >
> > I created a quick band-aid that removed the role=button and appended an
> > off-screen div that said to click it to select this answer (worded nicer
> > that I explained),. This worked with JAWS, had no impact on NVDA (it
> still
> > read the math fine), but for some reason, VoiceOver stopped reading the
> > mathml with that change.
> >
> > I really wish these AT companies would collaborate! It's like we're back
> > at Netscape vs Internet Explorer.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Mike Warner
> > Director of IT Services
> > MindEdge, Inc.
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> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:08:26 +0200
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Title attribute for iframes
> "This raises the obvious question of whether they should. Is there a
> specification somewhere that mandates this? If not, you can't use it as the
> basis of a justification for making the "title" element mandatory."
>
> No, this appears to be a decision by Mozilla to ensure sighted keyboarders
> can see content. Iframes tend to have a default rendering size which is
> usually smaller than a web document, so I've assumed iframes get focus for
> the same reason FF gives scrollable/overflow-hidden areas focusability.
>
> cheers,
> _mallory
>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Patrick H. Lauke wrote:
> > On 16/09/2020 09:10, Steve Green wrote:
> > > It's not that the client doesn't care. This is a contractual dispute
> over whether a developer built a website that is WCAG conformant.
> >
> > And this is where the wooly, handwavy, often quite undefined/up to
> > interpretation WCAG crashes on the shores of binary pass/fail ... and
> > auditors end up having to do judge/lawyer work, reading the tea
> > leaves/entrails of what "the founding fathers of WCAG intended"...
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