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Re: Question regarding accessible badgesorwidgetsforFacebook and Twitter

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From: Randi
Date: Feb 25, 2009 7:35PM


Ok thank you Steve. I admit, the main reason I bought the Mac was the
ability to teach myself rather than wait on a list for training. I
also didn't want to deal with a PC crashing all the time like was my
previous experience. When I could see to whack it, it was fine LOL.
I'll check it out and turn my sensitivities off. Thanks for the heads
up.

Randi

On 2/25/09, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> The best forum for you is probably Macvisionaries -
> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/
>
> Be aware that some of the people on that forum are extremely biased, and I
> have seen some absolutely vile abuse when someone dared to suggest that
> Voiceover lacks a lot of important features that are present in JAWS for
> Windows. In fact Voiceover is indeed limited compared with JAWS, but some
> Mac users just don't want to acknowledge the fact that sometimes Windows
> applications are best.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Randi
> Sent: 26 February 2009 00:40
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Question regarding accessible
> badgesorwidgetsforFacebook and Twitter
>
> Oh thank you both. I'll be sure to have my friend check out both links. I'm
> sorry, was it Haimish? I couldn't make out your name and haven't figured out
> how to make voiceover spell stuff for me. I'm glad to find another blind
> user here. Do you know of any good forums where people talk about their
> screenreaders? I'm teaching myself this stuff and am not finding much about
> voiceover and safari.
>
> Thanks again,
> Randi
>
> On 2/25/09, Mackenzie, Hamish < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Hi Randi
>>
>> I am totally blind as well but am a Jaws user on windows and whilst
>> the Facebook site can be a bit daunting to start with it is far easier
>> to use the mobile Facebook site as it is much more simplified, and
>> then in stages if you wish you can move onto the much more complex full
> site.
>> The url for the mobile site is
>>
>> Http://m.facebook.com
>>
>> I have only tinkered with the Mac so am not sure how it will all work
>> in Safari but good luck.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Hamish
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Debra Cerda
>> Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2009 10:23 AM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Question regarding accessible badgesor
>> widgetsforFacebook and Twitter
>>
>> Hi, Randi!
>> I would recommend that you read Desiree's post about her experience
>> with Facebook at this blogpost
>> http://universallydesigned.net/uncategorized/facebook-the-good-bad-and
>> -t
>> he-ugly/
>>
>> As a sighted user who's also had some usability issues with Facebook,
>> I would recommend your friend set it up and show you how to ignore
>> applications requests that are difficult to manage.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Debra
>>
>>>>> Randi < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 2/25/2009 4:11 PM >>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just joined this list and the forum at webaim after stumbling across
>> webaim and emailing the webmaster. I'm in no way a web develper
>> yet...I've been blind for ten months now; it was hugely unexpected. I
>> was an avid web user before and am teaching myself VoiceOver and
>> Apple, having been a PC user before. I've just been lurking here, not
>> understanding much LOL.
>>
>> The Facebook thing caught my attention however. I didn't use Facebook
>> before and actually have a friend coming over Monday to set me up there.
>> Am I hearing correctly that Facebook is not accessible? Or is it
>> simply the widgets and the so called follow me thing? I'm going to be
>> disappointed if I can't use it since I'm hoping to get back in touch
>> with friends.
>>
>> I don't know if a newly blind chic is welcome to post and ask
>> questions here. I'm very interested in web advocacy since I have
>> experience in the web both sited and blind. I also am interested in
>> starting a forum for the blind and visually impaired since I haven't found
> any cool ones.
>>
>> If this list is just for experienced web developers, let me know and
>> I'll go back to lurking until I start my own site.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Randi O.
>>
>> On 2/25/09, Debra Cerda < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Thank you everyone for your responses, my apologies for not being
>>> more
>>
>>> clear. I appreciate the additional information on the accessible
>>> twitter and FB. However, I'm on the content side of it, wanting to
>>> include a "Follow me on twitter" badge or link. Or a "Tweet the Facts"
>>
>>> much like on the bottom of
>>> Charity: Water's http://www.charitywater.org/twestival/index.html ,
>>> which appears to fail accessibility testing. Friend Feed was also
>>> recommended if we wanted to aggregate the non-profits FB and Twitter
>>> to their front page, but I also don't know how well that would meet
>> accessibility requirements.
>>> Again, we want to help the non profit use social media tools to
>>> promote their mission, but need the content on their website to be
>> accessible.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Debra
>>>
>>>>>> "John E. Brandt" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 2/19/2009 1:26 PM >>>
>>> I see someone already beat me to the answer regarding Accessible
>>> Twitter and Accessible Facebook. I've put the info on my blog
>>> http://www.jebswebs.net/blog/ - the Accessible Facebook appears to be
>>> a work in progress and I still can't find an actual application that
>> can be used.
>>> The Twitter link is: http://www.accessibletwitter.com/ and though
>>> usable now is still being developed. BTW, one comment on Twitter from
>>> an screen reader user questioned why the need as apparently the plain
>>> ole Twitter site was pretty accessible.
>>>
>>> All that said, this is still a great question. We might broaden it to
>>> include all social networking systems including ones that you "build"
>>> yourself like NING and KickApps. My testing of both of these leaves
>>> me
>>
>>> wondering if there are any out there that are accessible.
>>>
>>> BTW, I am experimenting with NING right now and it's accessibility
>>> problems do not seem as severe as KickApps. So, I will work with NING
>> for now.
>>>
>>> I also have to mention at this point the caveat that you can create
>>> the most accessible web application in the world and it only takes
>>> one
>>
>>> user to add inaccessible content to create an accessibility problem.
>>>
>>> Lastly, it is my understanding that JavaScript and Flash and even AIR
>>> can be made accessible, but that needs to be done early in the
>> development cycle.
>>> We need to get our message to the developer community.
>>>
>>> ~j
>>>
>>> John E. Brandt
>>> Web Design, Development, Consultation Augusta, Maine USA
>>> www.jebswebs.com <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> 207-622-7937
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Debra
>>> Cerda
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM
>>> To: Discussion list for web and software accessibilityissues; WebAIM
>>> Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> Subject: [WebAIM] Question regarding accessible badges or widgets for
>>> Facebook and Twitter
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Several of our agency staff are volunteering their time with the 2009
>>> Accessible Internet Rally (AIR) Interactive. Our team ("Ctrl Alt
>> Delete or
>>> C.A.D.") is working with a wonderful local non-profit Anthropos Arts
>> to
>>> improve the usability and accessibility of their web site. We've
>> identified
>>> the goals of their web site are simply awareness, advocacy, and
>> support. The
>>> objective of their web site is to share information about their
>> organization
>>> and its programs with the community, and get people excited enough
>> about
>>> their work support through donations. The challenge is that currently
>> it's
>>> the executive director and founder who are the primary workhorses
>> within
>>> this organization. We are encouraging them to use social media
>> strategies to
>>> help them meet these goals.
>>>
>>> It would be greatly appreciated if we could get some input and
>>> recommendations from members of the accessibility community on
>> Facebook
>>> widgets, Twitter badges (follow me on...), and ease/difficulty of
>> Paypal
>>> donate button, regarding their placement on a web page. Please email
>> me
>>> directly at dcerda I am aware of the inherent accessibility issues
>> with
>>> Facebook and Twitter themselves, especially after reading posts on
>> these
>>> topics on Knowbility blogs at http://universallydesigned.net/
>>>
>>> Anthropos Arts http://www.anthropos.org provides opportunities for
>>> educational, social, and personal growth to East Austin's
>>> under-served middle and high school students through free music
>>> education programs
>> taught
>>> by professional musician-mentors from diverse genres.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time and support!
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>> Debra Cerda
>>> Drinking Water Quality
>>> Public Drinking Water Section
>>> Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
>>>
>>> (512) 239-6045
>>>
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