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Re: Question regarding accessible badgesorwidgetsforFacebook and Twitter


From: Steve Green
Date: Feb 25, 2009 6:05PM

The best forum for you is probably Macvisionaries -

Be aware that some of the people on that forum are extremely biased, and I
have seen some absolutely vile abuse when someone dared to suggest that
Voiceover lacks a lot of important features that are present in JAWS for
Windows. In fact Voiceover is indeed limited compared with JAWS, but some
Mac users just don't want to acknowledge the fact that sometimes Windows
applications are best.


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[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Randi
Sent: 26 February 2009 00:40
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Question regarding accessible
badgesorwidgetsforFacebook and Twitter

Oh thank you both. I'll be sure to have my friend check out both links. I'm
sorry, was it Haimish? I couldn't make out your name and haven't figured out
how to make voiceover spell stuff for me. I'm glad to find another blind
user here. Do you know of any good forums where people talk about their
screenreaders? I'm teaching myself this stuff and am not finding much about
voiceover and safari.

Thanks again,

On 2/25/09, Mackenzie, Hamish < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Hi Randi
> I am totally blind as well but am a Jaws user on windows and whilst
> the Facebook site can be a bit daunting to start with it is far easier
> to use the mobile Facebook site as it is much more simplified, and
> then in stages if you wish you can move onto the much more complex full
> The url for the mobile site is
> Http://m.facebook.com
> I have only tinkered with the Mac so am not sure how it will all work
> in Safari but good luck.
> Cheers
> Hamish
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Debra Cerda
> Sent: Thursday, 26 February 2009 10:23 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Question regarding accessible badgesor
> widgetsforFacebook and Twitter
> Hi, Randi!
> I would recommend that you read Desiree's post about her experience
> with Facebook at this blogpost
> http://universallydesigned.net/uncategorized/facebook-the-good-bad-and
> -t
> he-ugly/
> As a sighted user who's also had some usability issues with Facebook,
> I would recommend your friend set it up and show you how to ignore
> applications requests that are difficult to manage.
> Sincerely,
> Debra
>>>> Randi < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 2/25/2009 4:11 PM >>>
> Hi all,
> I just joined this list and the forum at webaim after stumbling across
> webaim and emailing the webmaster. I'm in no way a web develper
> yet...I've been blind for ten months now; it was hugely unexpected. I
> was an avid web user before and am teaching myself VoiceOver and
> Apple, having been a PC user before. I've just been lurking here, not
> understanding much LOL.
> The Facebook thing caught my attention however. I didn't use Facebook
> before and actually have a friend coming over Monday to set me up there.
> Am I hearing correctly that Facebook is not accessible? Or is it
> simply the widgets and the so called follow me thing? I'm going to be
> disappointed if I can't use it since I'm hoping to get back in touch
> with friends.
> I don't know if a newly blind chic is welcome to post and ask
> questions here. I'm very interested in web advocacy since I have
> experience in the web both sited and blind. I also am interested in
> starting a forum for the blind and visually impaired since I haven't found
any cool ones.
> If this list is just for experienced web developers, let me know and
> I'll go back to lurking until I start my own site.
> Sincerely,
> Randi O.
> On 2/25/09, Debra Cerda < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Thank you everyone for your responses, my apologies for not being
>> more
>> clear. I appreciate the additional information on the accessible
>> twitter and FB. However, I'm on the content side of it, wanting to
>> include a "Follow me on twitter" badge or link. Or a "Tweet the Facts"
>> much like on the bottom of
>> Charity: Water's http://www.charitywater.org/twestival/index.html ,
>> which appears to fail accessibility testing. Friend Feed was also
>> recommended if we wanted to aggregate the non-profits FB and Twitter
>> to their front page, but I also don't know how well that would meet
> accessibility requirements.
>> Again, we want to help the non profit use social media tools to
>> promote their mission, but need the content on their website to be
> accessible.
>> Sincerely,
>> Debra
>>>>> "John E. Brandt" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > 2/19/2009 1:26 PM >>>
>> I see someone already beat me to the answer regarding Accessible
>> Twitter and Accessible Facebook. I've put the info on my blog
>> http://www.jebswebs.net/blog/ - the Accessible Facebook appears to be
>> a work in progress and I still can't find an actual application that
> can be used.
>> The Twitter link is: http://www.accessibletwitter.com/ and though
>> usable now is still being developed. BTW, one comment on Twitter from
>> an screen reader user questioned why the need as apparently the plain
>> ole Twitter site was pretty accessible.
>> All that said, this is still a great question. We might broaden it to
>> include all social networking systems including ones that you "build"
>> yourself like NING and KickApps. My testing of both of these leaves
>> me
>> wondering if there are any out there that are accessible.
>> BTW, I am experimenting with NING right now and it's accessibility
>> problems do not seem as severe as KickApps. So, I will work with NING
> for now.
>> I also have to mention at this point the caveat that you can create
>> the most accessible web application in the world and it only takes
>> one
>> user to add inaccessible content to create an accessibility problem.
>> Lastly, it is my understanding that JavaScript and Flash and even AIR
>> can be made accessible, but that needs to be done early in the
> development cycle.
>> We need to get our message to the developer community.
>> ~j
>> John E. Brandt
>> Web Design, Development, Consultation Augusta, Maine USA
>> www.jebswebs.com <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> 207-622-7937
>> -----Original Message-----
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Debra
>> Cerda
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:14 AM
>> To: Discussion list for web and software accessibilityissues; WebAIM
>> Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> Subject: [WebAIM] Question regarding accessible badges or widgets for
>> Facebook and Twitter
>> Hi,
>> Several of our agency staff are volunteering their time with the 2009
>> Accessible Internet Rally (AIR) Interactive. Our team ("Ctrl Alt
> Delete or
>> C.A.D.") is working with a wonderful local non-profit Anthropos Arts
> to
>> improve the usability and accessibility of their web site. We've
> identified
>> the goals of their web site are simply awareness, advocacy, and
> support. The
>> objective of their web site is to share information about their
> organization
>> and its programs with the community, and get people excited enough
> about
>> their work support through donations. The challenge is that currently
> it's
>> the executive director and founder who are the primary workhorses
> within
>> this organization. We are encouraging them to use social media
> strategies to
>> help them meet these goals.
>> It would be greatly appreciated if we could get some input and
>> recommendations from members of the accessibility community on
> Facebook
>> widgets, Twitter badges (follow me on...), and ease/difficulty of
> Paypal
>> donate button, regarding their placement on a web page. Please email
> me
>> directly at dcerda I am aware of the inherent accessibility issues
> with
>> Facebook and Twitter themselves, especially after reading posts on
> these
>> topics on Knowbility blogs at http://universallydesigned.net/
>> Anthropos Arts http://www.anthropos.org provides opportunities for
>> educational, social, and personal growth to East Austin's
>> under-served middle and high school students through free music
>> education programs
> taught
>> by professional musician-mentors from diverse genres.
>> Thank you for your time and support!
>> Sincerely,
>> Debra Cerda
>> Drinking Water Quality
>> Public Drinking Water Section
>> Texas Commission on Environmental Quality
>> (512) 239-6045
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