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Re: JAWS 10 and Hidden Text

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From: Terrill Thompson
Date: Mar 23, 2009 4:30PM


There's an excellent WebAIM article about hiding content:
http://webaim.org/techniques/css/invisiblecontent/

Don't read that though without also reading this hot-off-the-press update:
http://webaim.org/blog/hiding-content-for-screen-readers/

Terry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Randi [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 3:06 PM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED> ; WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] JAWS 10 and Hidden Text
>
> Interesting. So Voiceover passed the test. I'm enjoying seeing that
> Voiceover so far matches Jaws. Why would you want content to be
> hidden? Is it like a security thing, where things are hidden, but that
> Jaws was reading?
>
> On 3/23/09, Terrill Thompson < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > Hi Randi,
> >
> > You're correct - I expected Test 1 (using visibility:hidden) and Test
> 2
> > (using display:none) to both be hidden visibly, as well as hidden to
> screen
> > reader users. Test 3 is hidden by positioning text off screen, which
> has
> > become a widely accepted means of hiding content visibly that you
> want
> > screen readers to read.
> >
> > My initial concern when I saw the JAWS "bug fix" was that they might
> have
> > "fixed" the off-screen positioning solution. Fortunately that's not
> the
> > case.
> >
> > Jared correctly pointed out that the JAWS fix applies to a bug
> documented in
> > a Juicy Studio article, where JAWS was erroneously reading content
> hidden
> > using display:none, but only under certain very specific
> circumstances (only
> > on span elements nested within anchor tags).
> >
> > Terry
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Randi
> >> Sent: Monday, March 23, 2009 1:43 PM
> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] JAWS 10 and Hidden Text
> >>
> >> Hi there. I'm just curious if Test 1 and Test 2 were supposed to
> show
> >> anything or not? Because using Voiceover there was nothing under
> those
> >> headings after the description. Test 3 worked just fine.
> >>
> >> Was that what you are trying to see? Because if there's supposed to
> be
> >> content there for the first 2 tests, then Voiceover did not read it.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Randi
> >>
> >> On 3/23/09, Jared Smith < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >> > I believe they may have addressed the instances outlined here -
> >> > http://juicystudio.com/article/screen-readers-display-none.php -
> >> where
> >> > content hidden with display:none was being read by JAWS.
> >> >
> >> > If this is indeed the case, then this is a very good thing as
> content
> >> > that is truly hidden with CSS should never be identified by screen
> >> > readers.
> >> >
> >> > Jared Smith
> >> > WebAIM
> >> >