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Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos

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From: Karl Groves
Date: Apr 20, 2009 11:50AM


Randi,

In my experience, VoiceOver doesn't work well at all with Flash & Flex. IMO,
Adobe's done a great job of working toward improving Flash & Flex
accessibility by providing support for MSAA. In the case of VoiceOver, I
think more of the blame rests on Apple for not also supporting MSAA.

For JAWS users, Adobe provides JAWS scripts at
http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/flex/jaws.html which should help
- provided of course the Flex app was created properly.

Karl

> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Randi
> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 1:35 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people
> learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
>
> Hi John,
>
> I was going to check it out to look at the basic keyboard functions,
> but Voiceover couldn't interact with the page at all. I know you said
> that it isn't accessible, but soemthing about basic keyboard
> functions? If those things work with Jaws or Window Eyes, the page
> wasn't accessible with Voiceover. Just thought I'd add that little
> tidbit if it helps the students. I think its awesome that students are
> getting involved with accessibility.
>
> :) Randi
>
> On 4/20/09, Steve Robillard < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> > My apologies to all for my previous message it was a combo of a reply
> that
> > my only suggestion would be to make the tool accessible and a tweet
> about a
> > web site that (compared having a baby and designing a website) got
> garbled
> > together. Again my apologies I meant no disrespect to anyone.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Karl
> Groves
> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:32 PM
> > To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people
> learnabout
> > and create captions for Flash Videos
> >
> > This sort of response is wholly unhelpful and inappropriate. Lists
> such as
> > this one (and this one in particular) often have subscribers who come
> from
> > the entire spectrum of knowledge and experience. Responses like this
> one
> > typically scare "Newbies" away from posting questions or comments,
> lest they
> > be attacked.
> >
> > This list is probably the longest lasting discussion list for Web
> > accessibility and helped me personally in many ways when I was first
> getting
> > into web development and accessibility. It wouldn't have lasted so
> long or
> > been so valuable if calling people "stupid" was considered
> acceptable.
> >
> > Last, you may be well advised to research who Jon Gunderson is and
> what his
> > contribution to accessibility has been before you attack him.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
> >> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Steve Robillard
> >> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:37 AM
> >> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people
> learn
> >> about and create captions for Flash Videos
> >>
> >> Is it just me or is this the stupidest thing you have heard a tool
> to
> >> make something accessible which isn't accessible
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jon
> >> Gunderson
> >> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:29 AM
> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >> Subject: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn
> >> about and create captions for Flash Videos
> >>
> >> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
> >> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
> >>
> >> The following website has the results of there work.
> >>
> >> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/
> >>
> >> The application was built using Adobe Flex Technology and so is not
> >> very accessible to assistive technologies, but there is basic
> keyboard
> >> support for all the functions.
> >>
> >> If you are working with Flash video the students would love to have
> >> your feedback about your experience using iCaption2 to create
> captions
> >> and how the tool could be improved to make it easier for you to
> create
> >> captions.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your help,
> >> Jon
> >>
> >> Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
> >> Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability
> Resources
> >> and Educational Services
> >>
> >> Rehabilitation Education Center
> >> Room 86
> >> 1207 S. Oak Street
> >> Champaign, Illinois 61821
> >>
> >> Voice: (217) 244-5870
> >>
> >> WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/
> >> WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/
> >>
> >>
> >>