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From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 8:30AM
Subject: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help people learn about captioning Flash Video.

The following website has the results of there work.

http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/

The application was built using Adobe Flex Technology and so is not very accessible to assistive technologies, but there is basic keyboard support for all the functions.

If you are working with Flash video the students would love to have your feedback about your experience using iCaption2 to create captions and how the tool could be improved to make it easier for you to create captions.

Thank you for your help,
Jon

Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility
Disability Resources and Educational Services

Rehabilitation Education Center
Room 86
1207 S. Oak Street
Champaign, Illinois 61821

Voice: (217) 244-5870

WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/
WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/

From: Steve Robillard
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 9:40AM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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Is it just me or is this the stupidest thing you have heard a tool to make
something accessible which isn't accessible

From: Steve Robillard
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 10:35AM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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My apologies to all for my previous message it was a combo of a reply that
my only suggestion would be to make the tool accessible and a tweet about a
web site that (compared having a baby and designing a website) got garbled
together. Again my apologies I meant no disrespect to anyone.

From: Karl Groves
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 10:40AM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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This sort of response is wholly unhelpful and inappropriate. Lists such as
this one (and this one in particular) often have subscribers who come from
the entire spectrum of knowledge and experience. Responses like this one
typically scare "Newbies" away from posting questions or comments, lest they
be attacked.

This list is probably the longest lasting discussion list for Web
accessibility and helped me personally in many ways when I was first getting
into web development and accessibility. It wouldn't have lasted so long or
been so valuable if calling people "stupid" was considered acceptable.

Last, you may be well advised to research who Jon Gunderson is and what his
contribution to accessibility has been before you attack him.

Karl

>

From: Randi
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 11:35AM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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Hi John,

I was going to check it out to look at the basic keyboard functions,
but Voiceover couldn't interact with the page at all. I know you said
that it isn't accessible, but soemthing about basic keyboard
functions? If those things work with Jaws or Window Eyes, the page
wasn't accessible with Voiceover. Just thought I'd add that little
tidbit if it helps the students. I think its awesome that students are
getting involved with accessibility.

:) Randi

On 4/20/09, Steve Robillard < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> My apologies to all for my previous message it was a combo of a reply that
> my only suggestion would be to make the tool accessible and a tweet about a
> web site that (compared having a baby and designing a website) got garbled
> together. Again my apologies I meant no disrespect to anyone.
>
>

From: Karl Groves
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 11:50AM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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Randi,

In my experience, VoiceOver doesn't work well at all with Flash & Flex. IMO,
Adobe's done a great job of working toward improving Flash & Flex
accessibility by providing support for MSAA. In the case of VoiceOver, I
think more of the blame rests on Apple for not also supporting MSAA.

For JAWS users, Adobe provides JAWS scripts at
http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/flex/jaws.html which should help
- provided of course the Flex app was created properly.

Karl

>

From: Randi
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 12:05PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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Yes, Voiceover has some catching up to do. But the fact that in every
new OS with Apple, Voiceover is included at no extra charge, and the
fact that out of the box, and Apple is accessible, sold me right off
the bat. ;) Didn't mean to deter from the Flash conversation. Now that
I know its most likely Voiceover and not Flash, I'll look out for
improvements from Apple.

On 4/20/09, Karl Groves < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Randi,
>
> In my experience, VoiceOver doesn't work well at all with Flash & Flex. IMO,
> Adobe's done a great job of working toward improving Flash & Flex
> accessibility by providing support for MSAA. In the case of VoiceOver, I
> think more of the blame rests on Apple for not also supporting MSAA.
>
> For JAWS users, Adobe provides JAWS scripts at
> http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/flex/jaws.html which should help
> - provided of course the Flex app was created properly.
>
> Karl
>
>>

From: Keith Parks
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 12:25PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jon Gunderson wrote:

> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
>
> The following website has the results of there work.
>
> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/


Tried to visit the page in Safari but it does not display.

It looks like there are a couple of code problems in the page... an
extra </script> tag and a *second <body> tag in the middle of the
page, right before the <h1>Overview</h1> element.

Don't know if that has effected anyone else, but you might want to
clear it up.

******************************
Keith Parks
Graphic Designer/Web Designer
Student Affairs Communications Services
San Diego State University
San Diego, CA 92182-7444
(619) 594-1046
mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications

http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
----------------------------------------------------------

World Peace through Cascading Style Sheets.

From: Randi
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 12:30PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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Maybe its an Apple thing, as I couldn't view the site either.

On 4/20/09, Keith Parks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>
>> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
>> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
>>
>> The following website has the results of there work.
>>
>> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/
>
>
> Tried to visit the page in Safari but it does not display.
>
> It looks like there are a couple of code problems in the page... an
> extra </script> tag and a *second <body> tag in the middle of the
> page, right before the <h1>Overview</h1> element.
>
> Don't know if that has effected anyone else, but you might want to
> clear it up.
>
> ******************************
> Keith Parks
> Graphic Designer/Web Designer
> Student Affairs Communications Services
> San Diego State University
> San Diego, CA 92182-7444
> (619) 594-1046
> mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications
>
> http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> World Peace through Cascading Style Sheets.
>
>
>

From: Keith Parks
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 12:40PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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On Apr 20, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Randi wrote:

> Maybe its an Apple thing, as I couldn't view the site either.


I wasn't going to mention my Safari problem, sine I eventually go to
the page through Firefox, but when I saw your message, I dug a bit
deeper.

Are you running Voiceover in conjunction with Safari? Does it work
with other browsers as well? If the browser can't parse the code, then
it makes sense you would get nothing, which is exactly what I see on
screen... blank, white nothingness.

******************************
Keith Parks
Graphic Designer/Web Designer
Student Affairs Communications Services
San Diego State University
San Diego, CA 92182-7444
(619) 594-1046
mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications

http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
----------------------------------------------------------

A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, served with a side of
slaw.

From: Randi
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 12:50PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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I only use Safari thus far. I think I might check with Mac
Vissionaries about Firefox compatibility. Hadn't thought about it
being a browser issue and not a VO issue. Hmmm. I wish we had some
other VO users on this list. Thank you for bringing up Safari though.
Its great how other issues are mentioned throughout a thread on
another issue. :)

On 4/20/09, Keith Parks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>
> On Apr 20, 2009, at 11:25 AM, Randi wrote:
>
>> Maybe its an Apple thing, as I couldn't view the site either.
>
>
> I wasn't going to mention my Safari problem, sine I eventually go to
> the page through Firefox, but when I saw your message, I dug a bit
> deeper.
>
> Are you running Voiceover in conjunction with Safari? Does it work
> with other browsers as well? If the browser can't parse the code, then
> it makes sense you would get nothing, which is exactly what I see on
> screen... blank, white nothingness.
>
> ******************************
> Keith Parks
> Graphic Designer/Web Designer
> Student Affairs Communications Services
> San Diego State University
> San Diego, CA 92182-7444
> (619) 594-1046
> mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
> http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications
>
> http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma, served with a side of
> slaw.
>
>

From: Tim Harshbarger
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 2:00PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn aboutand create captions for Flash Videos
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I believe either the current version or beta version of Opera may work
with VoiceOver. I haven't had time to try it out though.

Now, if the day were only 24 hours longer, I might actually get the
chance to do that. :)

Thanks!
Tim

From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 6:25PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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On 20/4/09 18:47, Karl Groves wrote:
> In my experience, VoiceOver doesn't work well at all with Flash& Flex. IMO,
> Adobe's done a great job of working toward improving Flash& Flex
> accessibility by providing support for MSAA. In the case of VoiceOver, I
> think more of the blame rests on Apple for not also supporting MSAA.

Eh?

The responsibility rests entirely with Adobe for developing software on
the Mac GNOME platforms that does not use the native accessibility APIs
available on those platforms, not with Apple for not attempting to
somehow port an obsolete accessibility API from Windows.

Similarly, if a Flash developer creates a Flash app and does not make
use of the Flash accessibility API Adobe provides, and it consequently
proves unusable with JAWS for Windows, that's the individual developer's
responsibility not Adobe's.

Adobe have made it pretty clear that the reason the Flash plugin doesn't
support the OS X accessibility API is that they don't think assistive
technology on OS X is "mature" not because of Apple not trying to
somehow emulate MSAA:

http://www.mail-archive.com/ = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = /msg36102.html

http://www.mail-archive.com/ = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = /msg36132.html

--
Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis

From: Randi
Date: Mon, Apr 20 2009 7:20PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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Yay! Thank you for sticking up for Apple. I do love it, and my novice
leads me to never know if something is Apple's fault or not. So you've
helped me see it more clearly.

Thank you,
Randi

On 4/20/09, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> On 20/4/09 18:47, Karl Groves wrote:
>> In my experience, VoiceOver doesn't work well at all with Flash& Flex.
>> IMO,
>> Adobe's done a great job of working toward improving Flash& Flex
>> accessibility by providing support for MSAA. In the case of VoiceOver, I
>> think more of the blame rests on Apple for not also supporting MSAA.
>
> Eh?
>
> The responsibility rests entirely with Adobe for developing software on
> the Mac GNOME platforms that does not use the native accessibility APIs
> available on those platforms, not with Apple for not attempting to
> somehow port an obsolete accessibility API from Windows.
>
> Similarly, if a Flash developer creates a Flash app and does not make
> use of the Flash accessibility API Adobe provides, and it consequently
> proves unusable with JAWS for Windows, that's the individual developer's
> responsibility not Adobe's.
>
> Adobe have made it pretty clear that the reason the Flash plugin doesn't
> support the OS X accessibility API is that they don't think assistive
> technology on OS X is "mature" not because of Apple not trying to
> somehow emulate MSAA:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = /msg36102.html
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/ = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = /msg36132.html
>
> --
> Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
>

From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 12:50PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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This is my first foray into developing with Flash/Flex technology. Part of the project for me was to learn more about Flash/Flex technology accessibility. But the tool seems to be useful to some people for creating captions for Flash FLV files and I hope that in the future the tool itself will be more accessible itself. Flex technology seems to have some limitations in keyboard support that only came out after the students started the project, so it has been a learning process for me. But rather than throw the baby out with the bath water, I decided to see if the captioning interface was useful to people trying to create captions.

I do appreciate feedback though on the tools features and if people have suggestions on how it would be more useful to them.

Thanks,
Jon
Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility
Disability Resources and Educational Services

Rehabilitation Education Center
Room 86
1207 S. Oak Street
Champaign, Illinois 61821

Voice: (217) 244-5870

WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/
WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/

From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 12:55PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
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I received a message from someone who is famiilar with Adobe technology and they said the problem was with the AIR 1.x technology for screen reader compatibility and not the Flex technology itself.

This does not fix the problem, but helps at least understand where the problem lies in the system.

Jon




---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 10:34:57 -0700
>From: Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
>To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
>Hi John,
>
>I was going to check it out to look at the basic keyboard functions,
>but Voiceover couldn't interact with the page at all. I know you said
>that it isn't accessible, but soemthing about basic keyboard
>functions? If those things work with Jaws or Window Eyes, the page
>wasn't accessible with Voiceover. Just thought I'd add that little
>tidbit if it helps the students. I think its awesome that students are
>getting involved with accessibility.
>
>:) Randi
>
>On 4/20/09, Steve Robillard < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> My apologies to all for my previous message it was a combo of a reply that
>> my only suggestion would be to make the tool accessible and a tweet about a
>> web site that (compared having a baby and designing a website) got garbled
>> together. Again my apologies I meant no disrespect to anyone.
>>
>>

From: Jon Gunderson
Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 1:00PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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The page should now work. There was some improper coding on the page. Shame on me.

Thank you for helping me find it.

Jon


---- Original message ----
>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:22:14 -0700
>From: Keith Parks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
>To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>
>
>On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>
>> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
>> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
>>
>> The following website has the results of there work.
>>
>> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/
>
>
>Tried to visit the page in Safari but it does not display.
>
>It looks like there are a couple of code problems in the page... an
>extra </script> tag and a *second <body> tag in the middle of the
>page, right before the <h1>Overview</h1> element.
>
>Don't know if that has effected anyone else, but you might want to
>clear it up.
>
>******************************
>Keith Parks
>Graphic Designer/Web Designer
>Student Affairs Communications Services
>San Diego State University
>San Diego, CA 92182-7444
>(619) 594-1046
>mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications
>
>http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
>----------------------------------------------------------
>
>World Peace through Cascading Style Sheets.
>
>
>

From: Randi
Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 1:50PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn about and create captions for Flash Videos
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I don't know if you can view this if you're not a member of Mac
Vissionaires, but there's a discussion about Flash that doesn't make
sense to me, but might make sense to you.

http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/browse_thread/thread/ad3717a07337f81f#

Maybe you can view the forum if not a member, so if this link doesn't
work, try just looking at Mac Vissionaires, the subject says something
about Flash.

Just thought you might be interested. :)

On 4/21/09, Jon Gunderson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> The page should now work. There was some improper coding on the page.
> Shame on me.
>
> Thank you for helping me find it.
>
> Jon
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:22:14 -0700
>>From: Keith Parks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn
>> about and create captions for Flash Videos
>>To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>
>>
>>On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>>
>>> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
>>> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
>>>
>>> The following website has the results of there work.
>>>
>>> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/
>>
>>
>>Tried to visit the page in Safari but it does not display.
>>
>>It looks like there are a couple of code problems in the page... an
>>extra </script> tag and a *second <body> tag in the middle of the
>>page, right before the <h1>Overview</h1> element.
>>
>>Don't know if that has effected anyone else, but you might want to
>>clear it up.
>>
>>******************************
>>Keith Parks
>>Graphic Designer/Web Designer
>>Student Affairs Communications Services
>>San Diego State University
>>San Diego, CA 92182-7444
>>(619) 594-1046
>>mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications
>>
>>http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
>>----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>World Peace through Cascading Style Sheets.
>>
>>
>>

From: Cliff Tyllick
Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 2:10PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn aboutand create captions for Flash Videos
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Nope--we mere mortals are locked out. But perhaps some on this list are members.

On 4/21/2009, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>I don't know if you can view this if you're not a member of Mac
>Visionaires, but there's a discussion about Flash that doesn't make
>sense to me, but might make sense to you.

>http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/browse_thread/thread/ad3717a07337f81f#

>Maybe you can view the forum if not a member, so if this link doesn't
>work, try just looking at Mac Vissionaires, the subject says something
>about Flash.

>Just thought you might be interested. :)

>On 4/21/09, Jon Gunderson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>> The page should now work. There was some improper coding on the page.
>> Shame on me.
>>
>> Thank you for helping me find it.
>>
>> Jon
>
>
> ---- Original message ----
>>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:22:14 -0700
>>From: Keith Parks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn
>> about and create captions for Flash Videos
>>To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>
>>
>>On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>>
>>> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
>>> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
>>>
>>> The following website has the results of there work.
>>>
>>> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/
>>
>>
>>Tried to visit the page in Safari but it does not display.
>>
>>It looks like there are a couple of code problems in the page... an
>>extra </script> tag and a *second <body> tag in the middle of the
>>page, right before the <h1>Overview</h1> element.
>>
>>Don't know if that has effected anyone else, but you might want to
>>clear it up.
>>
>>******************************
>>Keith Parks
>>Graphic Designer/Web Designer
>>Student Affairs Communications Services
>>San Diego State University
>>San Diego, CA 92182-7444
>>(619) 594-1046
>>mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications
>>
>>http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
>>----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>World Peace through Cascading Style Sheets.
>>
>>
>>

From: Randi
Date: Tue, Apr 21 2009 2:25PM
Subject: Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn aboutand create captions for Flash Videos
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Here's what it said:




So this is obviously talking about the Mac, but I thought your
technical brains might understand Open Source and what not.

RandiPoster1 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> If we could make GNash accessible on the Mac, it is an implimentation
> of Flash that we can modify. Sure it isn't full blown Flash support,
> but better than what we have now.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Thanks,
>

Poster2 wrote:
> sounds good, if we can do it, is it open source or something?
> hopefully better flash support will be there in snow leopard!



Poster1 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yes it is Open-Source.
>
> Thanks,
>


On 4/21/09, Cliff Tyllick < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
> Nope--we mere mortals are locked out. But perhaps some on this list are
> members.
>
> On 4/21/2009, Randi < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>I don't know if you can view this if you're not a member of Mac
>>Visionaires, but there's a discussion about Flash that doesn't make
>>sense to me, but might make sense to you.
>
>>http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/browse_thread/thread/ad3717a07337f81f#
>>
>
>>Maybe you can view the forum if not a member, so if this link doesn't
>>work, try just looking at Mac Vissionaires, the subject says something
>>about Flash.
>
>>Just thought you might be interested. :)
>
>>On 4/21/09, Jon Gunderson < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = > wrote:
>>> The page should now work. There was some improper coding on the page.
>>> Shame on me.
>>>
>>> Thank you for helping me find it.
>>>
>>> Jon
>>
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>>>Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 11:22:14 -0700
>>>From: Keith Parks < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn
>>> about and create captions for Flash Videos
>>>To: WebAIM Discussion List < = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED = >
>>>
>>>
>>>On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Jon Gunderson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
>>>> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
>>>>
>>>> The following website has the results of there work.
>>>>
>>>> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/
>>>
>>>
>>>Tried to visit the page in Safari but it does not display.
>>>
>>>It looks like there are a couple of code problems in the page... an
>>>extra </script> tag and a *second <body> tag in the middle of the
>>>page, right before the <h1>Overview</h1> element.
>>>
>>>Don't know if that has effected anyone else, but you might want to
>>>clear it up.
>>>
>>>******************************
>>>Keith Parks
>>>Graphic Designer/Web Designer
>>>Student Affairs Communications Services
>>>San Diego State University
>>>San Diego, CA 92182-7444
>>>(619) 594-1046
>>>mailto: = EMAIL ADDRESS REMOVED =
>>>http://www.sa.sdsu.edu/communications
>>>
>>>http://kparks.deviantart.com/gallery
>>>----------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>World Peace through Cascading Style Sheets.
>>>
>>>
>>>