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Re: iCaption2 Student Project to create people learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos

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From: Randi
Date: Apr 20, 2009 12:05PM

Yes, Voiceover has some catching up to do. But the fact that in every
new OS with Apple, Voiceover is included at no extra charge, and the
fact that out of the box, and Apple is accessible, sold me right off
the bat. ;) Didn't mean to deter from the Flash conversation. Now that
I know its most likely Voiceover and not Flash, I'll look out for
improvements from Apple.

On 4/20/09, Karl Groves < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Randi,
>
> In my experience, VoiceOver doesn't work well at all with Flash & Flex. IMO,
> Adobe's done a great job of working toward improving Flash & Flex
> accessibility by providing support for MSAA. In the case of VoiceOver, I
> think more of the blame rests on Apple for not also supporting MSAA.
>
> For JAWS users, Adobe provides JAWS scripts at
> http://www.adobe.com/accessibility/products/flex/jaws.html which should help
> - provided of course the Flex app was created properly.
>
> Karl
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
>> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Randi
>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 1:35 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people
>> learnabout and create captions for Flash Videos
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I was going to check it out to look at the basic keyboard functions,
>> but Voiceover couldn't interact with the page at all. I know you said
>> that it isn't accessible, but soemthing about basic keyboard
>> functions? If those things work with Jaws or Window Eyes, the page
>> wasn't accessible with Voiceover. Just thought I'd add that little
>> tidbit if it helps the students. I think its awesome that students are
>> getting involved with accessibility.
>>
>> :) Randi
>>
>> On 4/20/09, Steve Robillard < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>> > My apologies to all for my previous message it was a combo of a reply
>> that
>> > my only suggestion would be to make the tool accessible and a tweet
>> about a
>> > web site that (compared having a baby and designing a website) got
>> garbled
>> > together. Again my apologies I meant no disrespect to anyone.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> > [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Karl
>> Groves
>> > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 12:32 PM
>> > To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people
>> learnabout
>> > and create captions for Flash Videos
>> >
>> > This sort of response is wholly unhelpful and inappropriate. Lists
>> such as
>> > this one (and this one in particular) often have subscribers who come
>> from
>> > the entire spectrum of knowledge and experience. Responses like this
>> one
>> > typically scare "Newbies" away from posting questions or comments,
>> lest they
>> > be attacked.
>> >
>> > This list is probably the longest lasting discussion list for Web
>> > accessibility and helped me personally in many ways when I was first
>> getting
>> > into web development and accessibility. It wouldn't have lasted so
>> long or
>> > been so valuable if calling people "stupid" was considered
>> acceptable.
>> >
>> > Last, you may be well advised to research who Jon Gunderson is and
>> what his
>> > contribution to accessibility has been before you attack him.
>> >
>> > Karl
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:webaim-forum-
>> >> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Steve Robillard
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 11:37 AM
>> >> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people
>> learn
>> >> about and create captions for Flash Videos
>> >>
>> >> Is it just me or is this the stupidest thing you have heard a tool
>> to
>> >> make something accessible which isn't accessible
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> >> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Jon
>> >> Gunderson
>> >> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2009 10:29 AM
>> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> >> Subject: [WebAIM] iCaption2 Student Project to create people learn
>> >> about and create captions for Flash Videos
>> >>
>> >> I have been working with a group of students to build a tool help
>> >> people learn about captioning Flash Video.
>> >>
>> >> The following website has the results of there work.
>> >>
>> >> http://icaption2.cita.uiuc.edu/
>> >>
>> >> The application was built using Adobe Flex Technology and so is not
>> >> very accessible to assistive technologies, but there is basic
>> keyboard
>> >> support for all the functions.
>> >>
>> >> If you are working with Flash video the students would love to have
>> >> your feedback about your experience using iCaption2 to create
>> captions
>> >> and how the tool could be improved to make it easier for you to
>> create
>> >> captions.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for your help,
>> >> Jon
>> >>
>> >> Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
>> >> Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility Disability
>> Resources
>> >> and Educational Services
>> >>
>> >> Rehabilitation Education Center
>> >> Room 86
>> >> 1207 S. Oak Street
>> >> Champaign, Illinois 61821
>> >>
>> >> Voice: (217) 244-5870
>> >>
>> >> WWW: http://www.cita.uiuc.edu/
>> >> WWW: https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/jongund/www/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>