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From: Karlen Communications
Date: Jan 29, 2010 7:03PM


Agreed - testing and repair is a blend of the mechanical tools and manual
techniques/tools.

Cheers, Karen

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Monir ElRayes
Sent: January-29-10 6:05 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs that read one word per line

Karen,

Good point about mechanical tools. The problem with purely manual testing
though, in the case of PDF, is that it simply cannot be done in a reasonable
period of time, in any comprehensive way, except for relatively simple
documents. Another problem with purely manual testing is that it is rarely
methodical or consistent.

As an aside, please note that CommonLook is not a mechanical tool (at least
the way most people would define it). While it automates the tasks that can
be automated (some of which, such as "text running together", cannot be
detected by manual testing), it does ask the user for input when required
(for example to verify that a textual description for an image is
meaningful). It also has a "verify and remediate" facility that simulates
how screens readers would read a document (but does it much faster). The
idea is to still do "manual" verification - when necessary- but assist the
user in doing it as a methodical process that verifies all 508 checkpoints.


Cheers,
Monir


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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Karlen
Communications
Sent: January-29-10 5:12 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs that read one word per line

There is also a fee after the first year to maintain updates. The fee is on
a per year basis last I checked. CommonLook is more of a remediation tool
than an accessibility checker.

There is a manual process involved in testing for accessibility just as
there is with HTML. The mechanical tools will only get you so far.

Cheers, Karen

-----Original Message-----
From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Monir ElRayes
Sent: January-29-10 5:01 PM
To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs that read one word per line

About $1000. Keep in mind that this is used by the select few who are lucky
enough to be in the business of remediating PDF documents for accessibility.


There is another tool, called PDF Accessibility Wizard (PAW) (~$100) that
takes accessibility to the content author where it really belongs. PAW runs
as an add-in to MS Word and takes the user through Section 508 checkpoints
prior to generating a PDF. It then generates an accessible PDF directly from
the Word environment (you don't need Acrobat for this). Using PAW, an
average user of MS Word - who does not have prior knowledge of
accessibility- can generate a fully accessible PDF from an average Word
document (5 pages with 2 tables and 2 images) in less than 5 minutes.

Cheers,
Monir

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From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Geof Collis
Sent: January-29-10 3:29 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs that read one word per line

Hi Monir

Thanks, now my head is starting to hurt. LOL

What is the price tag for something like that?

cheers

Geof
At 03:23 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote:
>Geof,
>
>ComnmonLook is a software tool that works with Acrobat Standard or Pro and
>presents the PDF structure in a visual, easy-to-manipulate format called
the
>Logical Structure Editor. The idea is to hide the complexity of the PDF
>structure as much as possible from the remediator.
>
>Keep in mind that a PDF file consists of 3 independent "views": Physical
>(this is what gets displayed and printed), tags (this is what the screen
>reader process) and content (this is what the Reflow feature in Acrobat
uses
>as well as what gets displayed by PDAs). As the 3 PDF views are
independent,
>they can (and often do) get out of synch with each other (especially with
>some PDF generation tools). Putting them back in synch, and ensuring that
>there are sufficient and accurate structural elements to make the document
>accessible, can be beyond the skills of the average user.
>
>CommonLook hides the complexity of the PDF structure and also provides
tools
>that make it possible to automatically correct many of the common
>accessibility issues in PDF (many are based on feedback from customers such
>as OPM, DHS and SSA) and deal with complex objects such as tables.
>
>CommonLook also methodically goes through the PDF document and ensures all
>the Section 508 standards are verified (either automatically or through
>operator intervention) and generates a compliance report. This is important
>because many people mistakenly assume that screen reader testing is
>sufficient (while Section 508 is intended to deal with many different types
>of disability).
>
>Hope this helps. Let me know if you have any questions.
>
>
>Cheers,
>Monir
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Langum, Michael
J
>Sent: January-29-10 2:28 PM
>To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs that read one word per line
>
>I concur with Mike Moore's use of CommonLook.
>
>We have used CommonLook for the past 6 or 7 years, and could not do our
work
>without it.
>
>Monir ElRayes (who is a member of this list and has made several comments
on
>this thread) can give you all the details.
>
>-- Mike
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Geof Collis
>Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 2:17 PM
>To: WebAIM Discussion List
>Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs that read one word per line
>
>
>Sorry, never heard of it. :O)
>
>cheers
>
>Geof
>
>At 02:13 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote:
> >Common Look comes close and will allow you to test and repair PDFs
> >with Adobe Standard.
> >
> >Mike Moore
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Geof Collis
> >Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 12:27 PM
> >To: WebAIM Discussion List
> >Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs that read one word per line
> >
> >So there's no tool like Webaim's Wave?
> >
> >cheers
> >
> >Geof
> >At 12:39 PM 1/29/2010, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > >What are people using to check to see if a pdf is accessible?
> > >
> > >We use Adobe Acrobat Pro, JAWS with Adobe Reader, and also run a
> > >keyboard only test in reader for forms.
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> > >