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Re: Form elements without Form Tags using title attributes?

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From: adam solomon
Date: Sep 11, 2010 12:15PM

This is a quote from the HTML 4 Forms
specification:<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html>;

The elements used to create controls generally appear inside a
FORM<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-FORM>;element,
but may also appear outside of a
> FORM <http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#edef-FORM>; element
> declaration when they are used to build user interfaces. This is discussed
> in the section on intrinsic events.<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/scripts.html#events>;Note that controls outside a form cannot be successful
> controls<http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#successful-controls>;
> .
>

You clearly do not need a form element to validate. However, as you yourself
pointed out, you need the title attribute for accessiblity specs.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 10:22 PM, E.J. Zufelt < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> Good afternoon Susan,
>
> You page should valdate without the form element. The form element is
> really only used to tell the user agent (browser) how to send information
> within the fields to a server. Since you aren't enabling this functionality
> you don't need the element.
>
> I hope this helps,
> Everett Zufelt
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>
> On 2010-09-09, at 2:38 PM, Susan Grossman wrote:
>
> > Please pardon if this is a duplicate, but it hasn't shown up for me in
> over
> > 4 hours, so decided to try again.
> >
> > I have a validation point that I need to pass, I know that because a
> > validator says so it doesn't mean it's the best thing to do, but in this
> > case, I have a corporate requirement for something that's going to work
> with
> > US Federal agency and have been told it needs to pass this validator.
> >
> > Development is using drop down menus and check boxes to change display
> > choices. These are scripted correctly and accessible by tabbing. Since
> they
> > put in ID's and labels with For attributes, they needed to add in a form
> > tag. Once they added a Form tag, it requiring some type of form submit,
> and
> > there's no submission on this page.
> >
> > Can the form tag be omitted and Labels with For attributes removed and
> > changed to title attributes in the select and check box inputs? It's
> seems
> > to sound alright in Readers (NVDA & JAWS in regular mode), but I'm not a
> > power user and don't want to miss "consequences". It is usable with just
> a
> > keyboard and passes HTML validation. But is it really accessible and a
> valid
> > solution?
> >
> > Thanks for any pointers
> > --
> > *Susan R. Grossman*
> > <EMAIL REMOVED>
> >