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From: S├ębastien Delorme
Date: Mar 28, 2012 2:00AM


Hello,

Yes, when you change the reading order from the Order panel, the order =

objects are overlaid on the page is also changed. Sometimes when you =

edit content in the Order panel, an object which should be in front of =

another ends up behind it, and therefore adversely affects the layout. =

You then need to manually correct it.

So I recommand to define the reading order from the Tags panel and the =

content reflow from the Content panel.

I try to explain this in AcceDe PDF manuals :
http://www.pdf-accessible.com/en/accede-manuals/

7 - Defining the reading order, page 46
and
9 - Checking the content reflow, page 72

I hope it will be useful for you.

Regards,

S├ębastien Delorme
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Le 23/03/2012 19:20, Dana L. Tallon a =E9crit :
> This is my whole problem. When I rearrange the reading order the design i=
s altered. We have always had this problem. I was hoping that the Tag Tree =
would be okay. Our agency still creates a Large Print text file and Braille=
Ready text file of our publications so I know I am covered. But I know the=
one file fully accessible goes along way and that is what I am striving fo=
r. Through this discussion I have learned a lot on the proper tagging in I=
ndesign and future projects I hope to do better so the reading order can be=
right.
>
> Thank you all!
>
> Dana Tallon
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karlen Communications [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 3:10 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] tagging PDF's
>
> Sorry, what I was saying is that for some documents there is no way of re=
conciling the Order Panel and Tags Panel/Tree and in those cases/documents,=
concentrate on the Tags Tree.
>
> In those types of documents, even starting with the Order Panel is not po=
ssible as the document gets corrupted, content disappears, moves out of its=
layering and generally cannot be repaired. These are flawed or fragile PDF=
documents. For some of them even removing each page, trying to Tag them se=
parately and reassembling the document doesn't work.
>
> Ideally you do want the Content, Order and Tags Panels to agree but in so=
me documents they simply can't.
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Ted
> Sent: March-22-12 2:06 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] tagging PDF's
>
> Sorry but I have to disagree that the Order Panel doesn't matter - it cer=
tainly does for people who need to view documents in Reflow view, for examp=
le people with various low vision conditions, not to mention the reading or=
der for PDFs viewed on many mobile devices.
>
> The key to fixing it in Acrobat is to do the Order Panel first and then t=
he tags panel (changing the Order Panel affects both views whereas changing=
reading order in the tags tree affects only the tags output).
>
> The key to fixing it in InDesign is to go through each page working from =
bottom right to top left and sending each frame in turn to the back in the =
stacking order. This works perfectly in InDesign CS5.5 but for previous ver=
sions it doesn't work for images which will still have to be fixed in Acrob=
at as above.
>
>
> Ted Page
> Director, PWS Ltd
>
> Registered in England no. 06508410.
> Registered office: 4 Riverview, Walnut Tree Close, Guildford, Surrey GU1 =
4UX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karlen Communications [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: 22 March 2012 11:22
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] tagging PDF's
>
>
> While it is preferable to have both the Tags Panel and the Order Panel ma=
tch up, adaptive technology reads through the Tags Tree so making sure it i=
s correct is the goal. There are some documents where you simply can't get =
the two to match up. There is also a bug when converting Word documents con=
taining images to tagged PDF where the images will always be placed at the =
bottom of the page items in the Order Panel no matter where they are on the=
page. The Tags will be correct but the Order Panel is "off."
>
> As long as the Tags are correct and in the correct order, you should be g=
ood.
>
> Cheers, Karen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Dana L. Tallon
> Sent: March-21-12 2:58 PM
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> Subject: [WebAIM] tagging pdfs
>
> I have a dilemma. I created a document in InDesign and tagged every heade=
r, paragraph and photo. I then set the tags in the proper reading order and=
export to a tagged pdf file. The tags come across perfectly and in the rig=
ht order. But when I look at the reading order panel, the order is off. Do =
screen readers read the tags in the order they are listed in the tag panel =
or do I need to go by what I see in the reading order panel, which is diffe=
rent.
>
>
>
> Dana Tallon
> > Oklahoma Department of Rehabilitation Services Public Information Manager
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