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From: Nancy Johnson
Date: Apr 29, 2013 11:44AM


"If you want a sighted web developer/owner to understand your needs, then
don't send them to www.w3.org, WAI, or WCAG.
The websites are overwhelming."

As a sighted web developer, I agree with you. The particular page I
stated above, at the bottom has an email template that can be copied
and modified.

Nancy


On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 1:22 PM, John E Brandt < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> How about...
> http://webaim.org/intro/
>
>
> John E. Brandt
> www.jebswebs.com
> <EMAIL REMOVED>
> 207-622-7937
> Augusta, Maine, USA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Chagnon | PubCom
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 12:15 PM
> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] need some help re problem sites
>
> If you want a sighted web developer/owner to understand your needs, then
> don't send them to www.w3.org, WAI, or WCAG.
> The websites are overwhelming.
>
> When I teach accessibility to developers, authors, and others who create the
> material you want to access, my students' first reaction to any of these
> websites is not positive. In fact, I can't reproduce their comments here.
> Within a few minutes of scanning the websites, they want to bolt from the
> classroom and never return to learn about accessibility.
>
> The problem is that the overviews and technical sections aren't written and
> visually designed well enough for the average visitor. They are dense,
> text-heavy, unattractive, and difficult to skim. In other words, they do not
> communicate the message well.
>
> We need a reference website that's written to guide and encourage developers
> to fix the most critical barriers first, and then build in the other items.
> W3C/WAI/WCAG websites don't meet that need: they instead throw everything at
> the reader, expecting them to dissect an enormous amount of detail in a
> short period of time, to run a marathon when they're not even taking baby
> steps yet.
>
> I don't know of any web developer out there with spare time to spend reading
> these websites. There is no "short version" of the website or a top-10-list
> of things to do to make a website more accessible.
>
> No wonder they don't make their websites accessible.
>
> —Bevi Chagnon
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> www.PubCom.com — Trainers, Consultants, Designers, Developers.
> Print, Web, Acrobat, XML, eBooks, and U.S. Federal Section 508
> Accessibility.
> New schedule for classes and workshops coming in 2013.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Nancy Johnson
> Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 7:52 AM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] need some help re problem sites
>
> Here is a link to w3c's guidelines on letting site owners know with
> sample email... http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/responding/
>
> Often site owners need education... smaller site owners often user
> Site-building tools and don't know much about html or there is any problems,
> even with larger sites their development staff doesn't know about
> accessbility
>
> Nancy
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 6:56 AM, Monique Brunel < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>> Le 29/04/2013 06:54, Hoger, Jodie a écrit :
>>> Hi List, I work in post-secondary education supporting students who
>>> are
> blind or vision impaired and am blind myself. I am constantly faced with
> needing to use external (and sometimes internal) sites that are very poorly
> designed re access. For example, publishers of textbooks etc. I am not a
> techy so can't provide that type of assistance or advice but what I am
> seeking is a good basic document or website that I can pass on to the devs
> of these sites to assist them in at least doing some tweaking to make their
> sites more user friendly to all. Is there such a beast? I want to be able to
> email them and include the link or document to get them started.
>>> I would love some help here if you know of anything because it drives
>>> me
> nuts and seriously slows down my efficiency in my job crawling through these
> messes with a screen reader.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jodie
>>>
>>> Jodie Hoger
>>
>> Hi,
>> You can see the Web Accessibility Initiative http://www.w3.org/WAI/
>>
>> There is a page for contact inaccessible websites
>> http://www.w3.org/WAI/users/inaccessible
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Monique
>>
>> --
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