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Re: a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it

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From: Lucy Greco
Date: Jan 8, 2014 5:15PM

Thanks

Lucia Greco
Web Access Analyst
IST-Campus Technology Services
University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
[mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Bryan Garaventa
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:13 PM
To: WebAIM Discussion List
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it

You may wish to ping James Craig <EMAIL REMOVED> to see if this is
already an open bug or not.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Lucy Greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it


> Well this code sample is the one I have do you think its worth sending
if
> so please send me wear to submit it Lucy
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Access Analyst
> IST-Campus Technology Services
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Bryan
Garaventa
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:02 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file
it
>
> It's supposed to. If it doesn't and you have a code sample that you can
> use to demonstrate the problem, it's worth submitting to Apple.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lucy Greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file
it
>
>
>> Hello:
>> Again just as a quick ask should voice over support the speaking of
the
>> expand state and or tell you it does not on my system. Mavericks most
>> recent versions again Lucy
>>
>> Lucia Greco
>> Web Access Analyst
>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir R.
>> Gunnarsson
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:08 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file
> it
>>
>> Testing this with Jaws 15 and FF24, I observed the following.
>> Clicking expand/collapse links works consistently every time.
>> If a section is expanded and I refresh the page, the section
>> collapses. That is not a Jaws problem, it collapses also visually in
>> the browser.
>> Is this the root of the problem Lucy?
>> We can get to the bottom of this.
>> Thanks
>> -Birkir
>> Accessibility SME | Deque Systems
>>
>>
>> On 1/8/14, Bryan Garaventa < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> It works fine for me. I tested it using JAWS15 in IE 8 9 and 10 and
FF,
>> and
>>> it's not having any problems. I also refreshed the page, reloaded the
>> url,
>>> and again that works too.
>>>
>>> Which version of JAWS, browser, and OS are you seeing this on?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: cb
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:22 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone
>> file
>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback. The trigger function now includes
>>> preventDefault(). Unfortunately it didn't solve Lucy's problem
> though.
>>> A new version is attached in case anyone with Jaws wants to try to
>>> duplicate what she's experiencing.
>>>
>>> Caroline
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bryan Garaventa
>>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> > The script is missing a preventDefault() which may be contributing
>> to
>>> the
>>> > problem. This should be added to prevent page refreshing whenever
>> DOM
>>> level
>>> > dynamic content is rendered via a triggering element.
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Lucy Greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> > To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:18 PM
>>> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone
>> file
>>> it
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Great please do test and remember it works the first time you
open
>> the
>>> >> expand just not after that
>>> >>
>>> >> Lucia Greco
>>> >> Web Access Analyst
>>> >> IST-Campus Technology Services
>>> >> University of California, Berkeley
>>> >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>> >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> >> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir
>> R.
>>> >> Gunnarsson
>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:14 PM
>>> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can
someone
>> file
>>> it
>>> >>
>>> >> Lucy
>>> >>
>>> >> I am able to use Jaws reliably on this demo page I came up with
>> with
>>> >> Detlev Fisher, one that is on his site at:
>>> >> http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-expanded.html#
>>> >>
>>> >> I can check the demo later on, and if this is a bug I would be
>> happy
>>> to
>>> >> help you file it. I am on the Jaws beta team, though I am not
very
>>> active.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 1/8/14, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>> >>> Sorry about that here is the demo
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Lucia Greco
>>> >>> Web Access Analyst
>>> >>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>>> >>> University of California, Berkeley
>>> >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>> >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> From: Lucy Greco [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 12:56 PM
>>> >>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>>> >>> Subject: a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hello:
>>> >>> We would like to give users of our campus accessible templates
>> the
>>> >>> ability to use an expandable and collapsible content area.
>> Attached
>>> is
>>> >> the
>>> >>> demo of what we have come up with so far. It works great in NVDA
>>> and
>>> >> not
>>> >>> so good in jaws.
>>> >>> The problem we have found in jaws is that jaws only indicates
the
>>> >>> expansion happens the first time the expand is clicked. In fact
> if
>>> you
>>> >>> go back to the page a second time it won't say anything ever
>> again.
>>> >>> When this first happened I thought I was losing my mind but I
>> tested
>>> >>> on another computer and the same thing happened. My instinct is
>> that
>>> >>> jaws is the bad player in this game. Can someone else confirm
> this
>>> and
>>> >>> if anyone on this list is on the jaws beta team could you file
>> this
>>> as
>>> >>> a bug. I am really getting fed up with AT that does not
> implement
>>> >> standards appropriately.
>>> >>> It's hard enough to get developers to code to standers and then
>> when
>>> >>> the AT does not work to the standers it's even harder. My new
>> year's
>>> >>> resolution is to shame AT products that don't come up to the
mark
>>> more
>>> >>> grin Lucy Lucia Greco Web Access Analyst IST-Campus Technology
>>> >>> Services University of California, Berkeley
>>> >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>> >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>> >>
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