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Re: a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it

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From: Birkir R. Gunnarsson
Date: Jan 8, 2014 8:40PM

Hey guys

I will look into this tomorrow for sure.
I will contact you off-list Lucy.
Cheers


On 1/8/14, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> Thanks
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Access Analyst
> IST-Campus Technology Services
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Bryan Garaventa
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:13 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it
>
> You may wish to ping James Craig <EMAIL REMOVED> to see if this is
> already an open bug or not.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lucy Greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it
>
>
>> Well this code sample is the one I have do you think its worth sending
> if
>> so please send me wear to submit it Lucy
>>
>> Lucia Greco
>> Web Access Analyst
>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>> University of California, Berkeley
>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Bryan
> Garaventa
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:02 PM
>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file
> it
>>
>> It's supposed to. If it doesn't and you have a code sample that you can
>> use to demonstrate the problem, it's worth submitting to Apple.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lucy Greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file
> it
>>
>>
>>> Hello:
>>> Again just as a quick ask should voice over support the speaking of
> the
>>> expand state and or tell you it does not on my system. Mavericks most
>>> recent versions again Lucy
>>>
>>> Lucia Greco
>>> Web Access Analyst
>>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>>> University of California, Berkeley
>>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir R.
>>> Gunnarsson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:08 PM
>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file
>> it
>>>
>>> Testing this with Jaws 15 and FF24, I observed the following.
>>> Clicking expand/collapse links works consistently every time.
>>> If a section is expanded and I refresh the page, the section
>>> collapses. That is not a Jaws problem, it collapses also visually in
>>> the browser.
>>> Is this the root of the problem Lucy?
>>> We can get to the bottom of this.
>>> Thanks
>>> -Birkir
>>> Accessibility SME | Deque Systems
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/8/14, Bryan Garaventa < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>> It works fine for me. I tested it using JAWS15 in IE 8 9 and 10 and
> FF,
>>> and
>>>> it's not having any problems. I also refreshed the page, reloaded the
>>> url,
>>>> and again that works too.
>>>>
>>>> Which version of JAWS, browser, and OS are you seeing this on?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: cb
>>>> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone
>>> file
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the feedback. The trigger function now includes
>>>> preventDefault(). Unfortunately it didn't solve Lucy's problem
>> though.
>>>> A new version is attached in case anyone with Jaws wants to try to
>>>> duplicate what she's experiencing.
>>>>
>>>> Caroline
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bryan Garaventa
>>>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>> > The script is missing a preventDefault() which may be contributing
>>> to
>>>> the
>>>> > problem. This should be added to prevent page refreshing whenever
>>> DOM
>>>> level
>>>> > dynamic content is rendered via a triggering element.
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Lucy Greco" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>>> > To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:18 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone
>>> file
>>>> it
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Great please do test and remember it works the first time you
> open
>>> the
>>>> >> expand just not after that
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lucia Greco
>>>> >> Web Access Analyst
>>>> >> IST-Campus Technology Services
>>>> >> University of California, Berkeley
>>>> >> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>>> >> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: <EMAIL REMOVED>
>>>> >> [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Birkir
>>> R.
>>>> >> Gunnarsson
>>>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:14 PM
>>>> >> To: WebAIM Discussion List
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] a possible jaws bug and if it is can
> someone
>>> file
>>>> it
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lucy
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am able to use Jaws reliably on this demo page I came up with
>>> with
>>>> >> Detlev Fisher, one that is on his site at:
>>>> >> http://www.3needs.org/en/testing/code/aria-expanded.html#
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I can check the demo later on, and if this is a bug I would be
>>> happy
>>>> to
>>>> >> help you file it. I am on the Jaws beta team, though I am not
> very
>>>> active.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 1/8/14, Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>>>> >>> Sorry about that here is the demo
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Lucia Greco
>>>> >>> Web Access Analyst
>>>> >>> IST-Campus Technology Services
>>>> >>> University of California, Berkeley
>>>> >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>>> >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >>> From: Lucy Greco [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
>>>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 12:56 PM
>>>> >>> To: 'WebAIM Discussion List'
>>>> >>> Subject: a possible jaws bug and if it is can someone file it
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Hello:
>>>> >>> We would like to give users of our campus accessible templates
>>> the
>>>> >>> ability to use an expandable and collapsible content area.
>>> Attached
>>>> is
>>>> >> the
>>>> >>> demo of what we have come up with so far. It works great in NVDA
>>>> and
>>>> >> not
>>>> >>> so good in jaws.
>>>> >>> The problem we have found in jaws is that jaws only indicates
> the
>>>> >>> expansion happens the first time the expand is clicked. In fact
>> if
>>>> you
>>>> >>> go back to the page a second time it won't say anything ever
>>> again.
>>>> >>> When this first happened I thought I was losing my mind but I
>>> tested
>>>> >>> on another computer and the same thing happened. My instinct is
>>> that
>>>> >>> jaws is the bad player in this game. Can someone else confirm
>> this
>>>> and
>>>> >>> if anyone on this list is on the jaws beta team could you file
>>> this
>>>> as
>>>> >>> a bug. I am really getting fed up with AT that does not
>> implement
>>>> >> standards appropriately.
>>>> >>> It's hard enough to get developers to code to standers and then
>>> when
>>>> >>> the AT does not work to the standers it's even harder. My new
>>> year's
>>>> >>> resolution is to shame AT products that don't come up to the
> mark
>>>> more
>>>> >>> grin Lucy Lucia Greco Web Access Analyst IST-Campus Technology
>>>> >>> Services University of California, Berkeley
>>>> >>> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
>>>> >>> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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