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Re: ARIA and Label tags both for Error Messages

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From: Alastair Campbell
Date: Feb 17, 2014 10:32AM

Ah, ok.

However, that doesn't make it very useful for error messages as you tab
through a form.

Perhaps a combination of dual labels and describedby would be most robust
(assuming you can't include the error message in the label).

Thanks,

Alastair
On 17 Feb 2014 16:43, "Paul J. Adam" < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

> VoiceOver OS X does support aria-describedby it's just treated as a help
> tag or "hint" and only read after a user adjustable delay, about 7 seconds
> I think for OS X. I tried your demo page and it worked.
>
> This was a new "feature" Apple released without any documentation or
> release notes as usual.
>
> So by default it will appear that an aria-describedby or title attribute
> is not working with VO/OS X but you have to either wait 7 seconds, or
> adjust the delay under the VoiceOver utility, or press VO+SHIFT+H. However,
> there is not an audio earcon or other indication when you're focused on an
> element if it actually has a title or aria-describedby attribute so the
> user either has to wait to hear it, press VO+SHIFT+H to see if one is
> there, or just ignore them as Apple seems to be suggesting they do?
>
> Help tag, Hints screenshots can be seen here:
> http://pauljadam.com/moderna11y/#title
>
> Paul J. Adam
> Accessibility Evangelist
> www.deque.com
>
> On Feb 17, 2014, at 6:23 AM, Alastair Campbell < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
>
> > Sorry to jump in the middle a old thread, but I did some testing on this
> > recently.
> >
> > Susan Grossman wrote:
> > "We have gotten some push back from a federal agency saying that no ARIA
> is
> > supported well enough to rely on and that we must you both aria and label
> > tags to associate the error messages."
> >
> > I was working with a team that struggled with implementing my suggestion:
> > putting error messages in the label. Unfortunately they couldn't match
> the
> > visual design, at least in a responsive layout.
> >
> > They tried multiple labels (which I thought odd, but couldn't find
> anything
> > that forbade it), but that didn't work very well in NVDA.
> >
> > Then we tried aria-describedby, but found that VoiceOver on OSX doesn't
> > support describedby, test-case:
> > www.alastairc.ac/testing/aria-describedby.html
> >
> > As a temporary fix I think they used aria-labelled by, which consistently
> > appends the error message to the primary label. However, describedby
> would
> > seem the better fit in general.
> >
> > Jukka wrote:
> >> "The aria-describedby attribute is supposed to provide information about
> > a field, not about an error condition."
> >
> > So what should associate an error message? The issue is that a screen
> > reader user tabbing through the form fields cannot tell which have an
> error
> > unless the message is associated with the input. E.g. in the label, or
> > using an ARIA association.
> >
> > -Alastair
> > > > > > >
> > > >