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From: Johnson, Melissa
Date: Apr 22, 2014 12:57PM

For PowerPoint, if an image is added in an individual slide using the
'format background' option, does this create an artifact, or are these
images also disregarded by screen readers?

Melissa Johnson

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> 1. Re: accessible data table with sortable columns example
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> 2. Re: accessible data table with sortable columns example
> (Don Mauck)
> 3. Re: PowerPoint accessibility-alt question
> (Iaffaldano, Michelangelo)
> 4. Re: PowerPoint accessibility-alt question (Jonathan Avila)
> 5. Re: PowerPoint accessibility-alt question (Duff Johnson)
> 6. Re: WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 109, Issue 13 (Larry C. Lyons)
> 7. Re: PowerPoint accessibility-alt question
> (Clark, Michelle - NRCS, Washington, DC)
> 8. Re: Best Way to Record VoiceOver Session/Audit (Kriss Fearon)
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:53:04 +0100
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accessible data table with sortable columns example
> On 21 April 2014 18:34, Steve Faulkner < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://assets.cms.gov/resources/framework/2.0/Pages/datatables.html
>
>
> Well I, for one, say a massive "thank you", Steve! How did I not know about
> this framework?!
> It's well hidden away - I wondered why I'd not found if before, but having
> another google for "section 508 framework" and "accessible framework" as I
> did weeks ago shows neither appear on even the first 5 pages of Google
> results.
>
> It could have probably saved me a good week of putting stuff together
> myself; that said, I can't use it now as it uses the old 2.22 version of
> bootstrap so I'd probably be in compatibility hell if I used the code
> snippets directly, but I'm certainly going to be taking a very good look at
> it for examples and it's right at the top of my reference bookmarks folder
> now!
>
> Thanks again.
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 11:17:30 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accessible data table with sortable columns example
> This is a good table for that, however, it doesn't have any row headers.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan H [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 11:53 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accessible data table with sortable columns example
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> On 21 April 2014 18:34, Steve Faulkner < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > http://assets.cms.gov/resources/framework/2.0/Pages/datatables.html
>
>
> Well I, for one, say a massive "thank you", Steve! How did I not know
> about this framework?!
> It's well hidden away - I wondered why I'd not found if before, but having
> another google for "section 508 framework" and "accessible framework" as I
> did weeks ago shows neither appear on even the first 5 pages of Google
> results.
>
> It could have probably saved me a good week of putting stuff together
> myself; that said, I can't use it now as it uses the old 2.22 version of
> bootstrap so I'd probably be in compatibility hell if I used the code
> snippets directly, but I'm certainly going to be taking a very good look at
> it for examples and it's right at the top of my reference bookmarks folder
> now!
>
> Thanks again.
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:37:57 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PowerPoint accessibility-alt question
> Bevi, earlier in the thread you wrote that "no MS Office program gives us
> the option of setting a graphic (or other image item) as an artifact. And
> the HTML null tag "" (double quotes) is not available in any office,
> graphics or desktop publishing program. It's strictly an HTML tag at this
> time. ".
>
> However a contact at SSB Bart Group emailed me the following: "The
> equivalent of alt="" in Office (specifically Word), is attained by creating
> null alternative text. To do this, open the Image properties, and for the
> alternative text, enter a Space followed by a Return. This creates a blank
> space and renders the image's alternative text as null (or alt="")".
>
> Is this advice incorrect?
>
> Michelangelo
>
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:47:06 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PowerPoint accessibility-alt question
> Adding space in the alt text description will unfortunately not generate a
> null alt attribute or artifact. Adobe InDesign does have an artifact tag
> option that can be used to generate artifacts in PDF output.
>
> Jonathan (SSB BART Group)
>
> > On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:37 PM, "Iaffaldano, Michelangelo" <
> <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >
> > Bevi, earlier in the thread you wrote that "no if act. MS Office program
> gives us the option of setting a graphic (or other image item) as an
> artifact. And the HTML null tag "" (double quotes) is not available in any
> office, graphics or desktop publishing program. It's strictly an HTML tag
> at this time. ".
> >
> > However a contact at SSB Bart Group emailed me the following: "The
> equivalent of alt="" in Office (specifically Word), is attained by creating
> null alternative text. To do this, open the Image properties, and for the
> alternative text, enter a Space followed by a Return. This creates a blank
> space and renders the image's alternative text as null (or alt="")".
> >
> > Is this advice incorrect?
> >
> > Michelangelo
> >
> > > > > > >
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 14:49:39 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PowerPoint accessibility-alt question
> > Bevi, earlier in the thread you wrote that "no MS Office program gives
> us the option of setting a graphic (or other image item) as an artifact.
> And the HTML null tag "" (double quotes) is not available in any office,
> graphics or desktop publishing program. It's strictly an HTML tag at this
> time. ".
>
> The concept exists in PDF as "Artifact".
>
> > However a contact at SSB Bart Group emailed me the following: "The
> equivalent of alt="" in Office (specifically Word), is attained by creating
> null alternative text. To do this, open the Image properties, and for the
> alternative text, enter a Space followed by a Return. This creates a blank
> space and renders the image's alternative text as null (or alt="")".
> >
> > Is this advice incorrect?
>
> It's a hack. Some assistive technology may recognize such and ignore the
> image. Others may do the "wrong" thing - announce an image with no
> alternative text.
>
> Duff.
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:00:26 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] WebAIM-Forum Digest, Vol 109, Issue 13
> Darn, beat me to it. That said, the datatables examples (standard,
> Expand/Collapsable Rows, Editable Rows and Filter Search) presented at
> http://assets.cms.gov are all fully accessible, with any limitations
> noted on the demo pages.
>
> That said, glad you like our efforts with Datatables, - I'm one of the
> developers of the assets.cms.gov site. We've made an effort to ensure
> that all the available widgets (which are FOSS - MIT Lisc.) are fully
> accessible. If you find anything that could be improved in terms of
> accessibility please let us know.
>
> Larry C. Lyons
> Senior Web Developer/Consultant.
>
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 2:00 PM, < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
> >
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> > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:27:01 -0700
> > Subject: [WebAIM] accessible data table with sortable columns example
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've been asked for a live example of an accessible data table with
> > sortable columns. The only example I have is behind a secure sign-in.
> > Does anyone have a link to a live example I can share?
> >
> > Jennison
> >
> > --
> > Jennison Mark Asuncion
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> >
> >
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> > Cc:
> > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:34:42 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] accessible data table with sortable columns example
> > hi Jennison,
> >
> > this may be what you want:
> >
> > http://assets.cms.gov/resources/framework/2.0/Pages/datatables.html
> >
> > --
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > SteveF
> > HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>;
> >
> >
> > On 21 April 2014 18:27, Jennison Mark Asuncion
> > < <EMAIL REMOVED> >wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I've been asked for a live example of an accessible data table with
> >> sortable columns. The only example I have is behind a secure sign-in.
> >> Does anyone have a link to a live example I can share?
> >>
> >> Jennison
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jennison Mark Asuncion
> >> LinkedIn at www.linkedin.com/in/jennison
> >> Follow me on Twitter www.twitter.com/jennison
> >> Accessibility Camp Bay Area www.accessibilitycampbay.org
> >> Accessibility Camp Toronto www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeP5Kl4GDgA
> >> Accessibility Camp Los Angeles www.accessibilitycampla.org
> >> Global Accessibility Awareness Day
> www.globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org
> >> > >> > >> > >>
> >
> >
> > > > > > > >
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 19:47:00 +0000
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PowerPoint accessibility-alt question
> Duff,
>
> I agree. I was thinking that was the solution but was not sure and had to
> find some notes. I took Document Remediation Training in late Jan from SSB
> Bart in a collaboration with Columbia Lighthouse. At least I can say there
> is something I remembered correctly.
>
> Michelle
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: <EMAIL REMOVED> [mailto:
> <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Duff Johnson
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:50 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PowerPoint accessibility-alt question
>
> > Bevi, earlier in the thread you wrote that "no MS Office program gives
> us the option of setting a graphic (or other image item) as an artifact.
> And the HTML null tag "" (double quotes) is not available in any office,
> graphics or desktop publishing program. It's strictly an HTML tag at this
> time. ".
>
> The concept exists in PDF as "Artifact".
>
> > However a contact at SSB Bart Group emailed me the following: "The
> equivalent of alt="" in Office (specifically Word), is attained by creating
> null alternative text. To do this, open the Image properties, and for the
> alternative text, enter a Space followed by a Return. This creates a blank
> space and renders the image's alternative text as null (or alt="")".
> >
> > Is this advice incorrect?
>
> It's a hack. Some assistive technology may recognize such and ignore the
> image. Others may do the "wrong" thing - announce an image with no
> alternative text.
>
> Duff.
> > > >
>
>
>
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> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:13:46 +0100
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Best Way to Record VoiceOver Session/Audit
> I've never used it but there's a ux testing app that will record all
> activity on the phone, including screen and sound. Might do the job.
>
>
> https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/ux-recorder-user-testing-for/id514450465?mt=8
>
> Kriss
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul J. Adam [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ]
> Sent: 16 April 2014 14:55
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Best Way to Record VoiceOver Session/Audit
>
> Yes, you might be able to record the VoiceOver speech output with a voice
> recorder, but you can't do a screen recording that captures VO, the screen,
> and your voice. Apple does not allow screen recording apps into their
> "walled garden" app store. If you're Jailbroken you can do full screen
> recordings using a Cydia app called RecordMyScreen. The app works well to
> do video recordings and upload to YouTube without needing a desktop
> computer!
>
> Anyone do screen recordings on Android with TalkBack?
>
>
> Paul J. Adam
> Accessibility Evangelist
> www.deque.com
>
> On Apr 16, 2014, at 2:47 AM, BHAVESH PATEL < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > You can record voiceover session using any of the voice recorders
> > available within or downloadable for IOS.
> >
> > On 4/16/14, Paul J. Adam < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >> I've recorded VoiceOver in action to demo inaccessible web pages as a
> >> Screen Recording with QuickTime Player for OS X. Works very well! I
> >> wish it was possible or easy to do on iOS.
> >>
> >> Paul J. Adam
> >> Accessibility Evangelist
> >> www.deque.com
> >>
> >> On Apr 15, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Thaddeus Cambron < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> What is the best way to screen record VoiceOver reading a webpage?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
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> > --
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> > Bhavesh.
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