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From: Subhash Chhetri
Date: Jul 27, 2015 6:56AM


Ya, Patrick is right that inflection is cause by punctuation.
Best Regards,
Subhash Chhetri
Software Accessibility QA Engineer

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On Mon, 27/7/15, Subhash Chhetri < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:

Subject: Re: [WebAIM] no paragraphs in divs
To: "WebAIM Discussion List" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Date: Monday, 27 July, 2015, 6:02 PM

Hi Angela,

Whether you put content inside
<div or <p tag, it does not make any difference in
reading experience
Of JAWS and NVDA
both.

Both JAWS and NVDA
treat content inside div exactly as paragraph content, means
using control+down/up arrow key, it is properly readable and
navigable. JAWS user can also navigate to div content with
quick navigation key “P”.

Further more, I have verified your page with
JAWS and NVDA both in IE and FF.

Although, I haven't tested it with talkback
and voiceover, and any other screen reader.



Best Regards,
Subhash
Chhetri
Software Accessibility QA
Engineer

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On Mon, 27/7/15, Bo Nilsson < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

Subject: Re:
[WebAIM] no paragraphs in divs
To:
"'WebAIM Discussion List'" < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
Date: Monday, 27 July, 2015, 2:14 PM

Hi folks!

As a Jaws-user for many years I Wish to argue
for the use of paragraphs and other tags htat
works like
paragraphs in a screenreader.
Tis because, in my opinion, 
paragraph
navigation is by far the most effective way to
listen to or skim a content. Ctrl+Down/Up
arrow is my
favourite keystroke in both
web-pages and word-documents and
also in
well tagged pdf.
Perhaps, and
unfortunately,  some assistive devices
d'ont fully
support this type of
navigation. Jaws, in any case, treats

<div>, <p>, <li>, and perhaps some
more, 
all as paragraphs from a user
perspective and I think it is
in most cases
very efficient.
Bo Nilsson

Swedish list member
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> Divs are only for
layout
and styling purposes, they have no
semantic value.

While I
agree that the div
element has no specific
meaning and paragraph should be
used, I do
not believe this has been identified as a

sufficient technique or failure of WCAG.   Divs
generally work the same way and commands such
as control+up
and down arrow treat them as
container-like paragraphs.   
Screen
readers seem to vary in how they handle this.  Some
screen readers/speech synthesizers put blank
lines between
paragraphs when arrowing
between p elements.  Others
don't and
simply rely on punctuation for pausing.

Jonathan

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On Behalf Of Guy Hickling

Sent: Saturday,
July 25, 2015 5:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] no paragraphs in divs

As Dale has said, your
actual
content should be in a ul/li list.
But to answer your last
comment (and
original question), yes, as you guessed, if

these 3 items had been totally unrelated (and therefore
not
suitable for a
list)
then they should have
been placed in p
elements, not divs.

Divs
are only for layout and styling purposes,

they have no semantic value.
Whereas
paragraph elements indicate the separate
stages of logical
thought contained in the
text - they are semantic. Assistive

technology reacts to paragraphs (eg screen readers may
pause
very slightly, and/or change
inflexion, at the end of a
paragraph, but
they don't do that for divs. Your
3
sentances would have been run together.

​Guy
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