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From: Sailesh Panchang
Date: Sep 23, 2015 3:49PM

Jonathan,
Sorry, I do not think that is an Apple / iOS issue if the form / page is
poorly marked up from an accessibility viewpoint.
The next/prev button help one get back within the form.
Then one can swipe left/right to read content surrounding a form control.
My query is: why is there no dismiss keyboard with VO on the iPhone ...
Cliff says it is available visually.
Thanks,
Sailesh


On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
wrote:

> > I believe the issue is moot now.
> Above the keyboard on an iPhone and my mini iPad now running iOS9.01 and
> iOS8.4 (respectively) I can navigate to a forward / Back or Next and
> previous button pair that fairly reliably move focus to the next / prev
> form field.
>
> Regardless of buttons to move between fields I still consider it important
> for the user to be able to fill out a form field and then continue on
> reading the text after the field before going to another field. Some
> fields have instruction text and page's don't always associate the text
> with form fields.
>
> Jonathan
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang
> Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 3:40 PM
> To: WebAIM Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Issue with on-screen keypad in IOS
>
> Jonathan,
> I believe the issue is moot now.
> Above the keyboard on an iPhone and my mini iPad now running iOS9.01 and
> iOS8.4 (respectively) I can navigate to a forward / Back or Next and
> previous button pair that fairly reliably move focus to the next / prev
> form field.
> When on the first / last field, the back / next button is disabled
> respectively.
> On the keyboard there is a Go / Done button via which one can submit the
> form or one can activate the submit button on the form.
> The iPhone never had a dismiss keyboard feature AFAIK.
> In earlier versions of iOS on the iPad I had not seen the prev / next
> button above the keyboard. So I'd dismiss the keyboard, move to activate
> the next form control and step through the form.
> Thanks,
> Sailesh
>
>
> On 9/23/15, Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >>> So when one dismisses the keyboard the focus should go back to the
> >>> field that had focus or the next focusable element.
> >
> > I emailed accessibility at Apple about this with steps to reproduce
> > and a test page and got the following respond
> >
> > "We are unable to reproduce any unexpected behavior in our testing.
> > The issue that your having is either device or content specific".
> >
> > Has anyone else had any luck?
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
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> > Chief Accessibility Officer
> > SSB BART Group
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf Of Sailesh Panchang
> > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 9:55 AM
> > To: WebAIM Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Issue with on-screen keypad in IOS
> >
> > Actually, there is a 'Next' button and a 'Done' button above the
> > keyboard even in 8.4 iOS.
> > In earlier versions I had not found these and had not looked again.
> > The Next button does move focus to the next form field and the button
> > is disabled when one is on the last form field and then only Done is
> enabled.
> > Thanks Cliff for making me look at this again. I had looked at for the
> > dismiss /next button in iOS7 as well as iOS 8.1 and, not having seen
> > them had not looked again!
> > Sailesh
> >
> >
> > On 9/18/15, Jonathan Avila < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >> iOS 9 on the iPhone appears to add a done button to the keyboard at
> >> top right for input fields on web pages in addition to the return
> button.
> >>
> >> The focus position however is still lost after tapping the done
> >> button
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 5:01 PM, Sailesh Panchang
> >>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Subhash,
> >>> Sure this is an issue while filling out any form on a mobile
> >>> platform that I have always encountered as a screen reader user.
> >>> I am referring to forms with multiple text boxes one after another
> >>> including just a username and password field.
> >>> When the form has two or more fields, the application cannot guess
> >>> that one has finished entering data ... unless it is a standard
> >>> phone# or date field and such.
> >>> On an iPad one can dismiss the keyboard but not on an iPhone
> >>> because there is no dismiss keyboard key.
> >>> So when one dismisses the keyboard the focus should go back to the
> >>> field that had focus or the next focusable element.
> >>> Sailesh Panchang
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On 9/17/15, Paul J. Adam < <EMAIL REMOVED> > wrote:
> >>>> These are bugs with iOS VoiceOver. Please file a bug report with
> Apple.
> >>>> They
> >>>> fixed a few of mine recently. I filed one not fixed related to
> >>>> <select> controls not sending focus to the picker view when you
> >>>> expand the select on iPhone and when you close the picker the focus
> >>>> is not returned to the triggering element instead the focus is lost
> >>>> to the top of the page and the user would have to swipe all the way
> >>>> back to where they were.
> >>>>
> >>>> On iPad when you expand a select control the focus is trapped in
> >>>> the pop over view which is great, but the focus is still lost to
> >>>> the top of the page after dismissing the pop over.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've not looked into manually sending focus where you want it to go
> >>>> with JavaScript.
> >>>>
> >>>> Paul J. Adam
> >>>> Accessibility Evangelist
> >>>> www.deque.com
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sep 17, 2015, at 1:24 AM, Subhash Chhetri
> >>>>> < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Accessibility Experts,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Today I'm stuck in one issue in IOS. - Actually I'm filling an
> >>>>> html form in IOS with Voice over, and I'm using on-screen keypad
> >>>>> not the physical one. So the problem I'm facing is that when I
> >>>>> finish typing in any form field and pressing Hide keyboard button
> >>>>> located at the right end of on-screen keypad, focus doesn't move
> >>>>> directly to the edit field, it remains anywhere in application.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> This is so frustrating that I have to go back to the form fields
> >>>>> either by flicking left/right on screen or by selecting forms via
> >>>>> roter.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is there anything I'm missing? Or it's a behavior of IOS.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> Subhash Chhetri
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> >>>>> > >>>>
> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> archives at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
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