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From: Sophie Schuermans
Date: Jun 3, 2016 1:21AM

Hi,

To obtain a logical reading order, your tags need to be in the right order.
To achieve that you can use the article pane in Indesign. This is described
in this white paper and works fine:
http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/indesign/pdfs/indesign-cs55-accessibility-whitepaper.pdf
Look for 'Establish a reading order with the Articles panel'.
This document also explains how to map the paragraph styles to PDF tags
(look for 'Add Export Tagging').

Best regards,

Sophie



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> 1. Re: WAI documents Re: PDFs: Logical Reading Order and Tags
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> 2. Re: PDFs: Logical Reading Order and Tags (Lucy Greco)
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> From: Duff Johnson < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
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> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:04:15 -0400
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] WAI documents Re: PDFs: Logical Reading Order and
> Tags
> >> (Sidenote: the errors in the PDF3 technique are one of the most serious
> causes of confusion worldwide on this subject.)
> >
> > Have you filed a bug on that?
>
> Sometime in 2012.
>
> > If so, can you point to it so people can follow it up.
>
> I just filed another:
>
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2016Jun/0000.html
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> Duff.
>
>
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> From: Lucy Greco < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> To: <EMAIL REMOVED> , WebAIM Discussion List <
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> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 15:11:15 -0700
> Subject: Re: [WebAIM] PDFs: Logical Reading Order and Tags
> I have seen 5 vary large pdfs in the last week that have been created in
> end design and they have all had the same weard reading order with one
> line on a page and the pageing in a strange order. so i would get page 6
> then some content on a line then page 2 and some content on a line and
> page 3 and then some content on a line and page one with a longer bit of
> content. also no hedders and no table markup at all.
> these were sent to ame as ones that had access work done on them is this
> part of the same problem
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration
> University of California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
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>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Chagnon | PubCom < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> wrote:
>
> > Wow. Did you bring up a sore point for me!
> > Just posted to an Adobe list about this...for the umpteenth time, too.
> >
> > #1. Please please please file a bug report/feature request in the Adobe
> > forums http://www.adobe.com/products/wishform.html. They've known about
> > this problem for 6 years, yet it's not getting fixed. Push them.
> >
> > #2. In Acrobat, you need to check your Role Map (options menu from the
> Tag
> > panel) and make sure that every instance of the crazy-named tags from
> > InDesign is mapped to a standard PDF accessibility tag. Example: if the
> > crazy-named tag is <Big_Blue_Title> but it should be <H1>, the Role Map
> > utility should show it as Big_Blue_Tible / H1.
> >
> > Check every single tag and make sure it's mapped to the correct standard
> > tag. Role Map is a global tool, so all instances of <Big_Blue_Title> will
> > map to <H1> throughout the document.
> >
> > #3. Here's a trick I teach in my InDesign + Accessibility classes. Name
> > your styles with the standard tag name so that it either converts to the
> > correct tag in the PDF, or is easier to check in the Role Map. Examples:
> >
> > Big Blue Title, rename it H1
> > Section Title, rename it H1 - Section
> > Big subhead, rename it H2
> > Sidebar head, rename it H2 - Sidebar
> >
> > This trick will help minimize the pain of this very costly, painful
> > difficiency in InDesign.
> >
> > Next item: reading order.
> > Yes, it's critical to have the tags sequenced top-down in a logital
> > reading order. But that's not something to address in an online post. I
> > teach a 2-day class in that!
> >
> > —
> > Bevi Chagnon | www.PubCom.com
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> > Behalf Of Alan Zaitchik
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2016 8:38 AM
> > To: <EMAIL REMOVED>
> > Subject: [WebAIM] PDFs: Logical Reading Order and Tags
> >
> > When we get a PDF generated out of InDesign the tags are usually
> > non-HTML5-standard tags in a jumbled order. Yet often the logical reading
> > order is fine, or can easily be fixed using the Acrobat tool for doing
> so.
> > Testing in a screen reader like JAWS or NVDA seems to yield a pass as
> well-
> > the content is read in the correct order.
> > How important is it that the tags themselves be (1) rearranged to match
> > the logical reading order, and (2) thoroughly reworked to use only HTML5
> > standard tags?
> > I imagine this turns on the question whether there are AT tools other
> than
> > JAWS and NVDA that depend on these tags being standard and reordered.
> > Thanks,
> > A
> >
> > > > > > at http://webaim.org/discussion/archives
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
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