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Re: Accessible org charts

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From: Steve Green
Date: Nov 29, 2017 5:50PM


I am not familiar with either of those tools, but I don't think there is (or can be) a solution at the moment. Some content simply can't be represented using the HTML elements and attributes that we currently have.

For a simple organisation I think a nested list would be the closest you can get semantically, but I'm not at all sure a screen reader user would be able to make sense of it. It would be interesting to run some user tests.

Personally, I don't feel obliged to solve every problem a client comes to us with. I simply tell them it's not possible if I really think that is the case after considering all the options.

Steve

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From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On Behalf Of Lucy Greco
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Subject: Re: [WebAIM] Accessible org charts

steev thanks for the reply kinda makes me ask then what is the tools that are makeing the inaccessable ones doing i e. pitcktochart and tablo i am looking for more accessable answers to these tools more then any thing because i can't just say don't use the inaccessable tool i need to say what to use insted

Lucia Greco
Web Accessibility Evangelist
IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of California, Berkeley
(510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
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On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Steve Green < <EMAIL REMOVED>
> wrote:

> The root cause of this problem is that there is not a universally
> agreed set of semantics for an organisational chart. Or if there is,
> I'm not aware of it.
>
> Some aspects of the structure of an org chart correspond to a nested
> list, such as parent and child relationships and groups of people at
> the same level. However, other aspects do not correspond to any HTML
> semantics. For instance, two subordinates of one person may be at
> different levels of seniority (and hence shown at different vertical
> positions in the org
> chart) even though they are both one step removed from the same person.
>
> Also, org charts often have sideways relationships that may mean
> various things and there can be complex relationships such as when a
> person has "dotted line" responsibilities to people other than their line manager.
>
> Until there is an agreed set of semantics for all these relationships,
> it will not be possible to represent the chart in HTML in a way that
> people will understand, and it's very possible that new HTML semantics
> would need to be created.
>
> Steve Green
> Managing Director
> Test Partners Ltd
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: WebAIM-Forum [mailto: <EMAIL REMOVED> ] On
> Behalf Of Lucy Greco
> Sent: 29 November 2017 18:32
> To: WebAIM Discussion List < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
> Subject: [WebAIM] Accessible org charts
>
> Hello:
>
> We have been seeing a lot of progress in the world of data access with
> products like High Charts <https://www.highcharts.com/> and some of
> the products I am working with from Progressive Access <
> https://progressiveaccess.com/projects.php>. But the one thing I am
> missing that is in big demand is an accessible "organizational chart"
> (org
> chart) tool. Does anyone have ideas on where we can find something to
> help produce an accessible org chart?
>
> Thanks,
> Lucy
>
> Lucia Greco
> Web Accessibility Evangelist
> IST - Architecture, Platforms, and Integration University of
> California, Berkeley
> (510) 289-6008 skype: lucia1-greco
> http://webaccess.berkeley.edu
> Follow me on twitter @accessaces
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