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From: webmaster@theoryxdesign.com
Date: Nov 6, 2003 3:30PM


How is saying how to do them better at all equivocal with saying that they're OK?
In fact, the article you reference also states VERY explicitly:
Opening new windows is bad enough as it is. The above article only aims at showing you how to make them better. The best answer is to not use them at all. Please see the following links for details -

1. Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox: The Top Ten New Mistakes of Web Design - http://www.useit.com/alertbox/990530.html
2. Jakob Nielsen's Alertbox: Top Ten Web-Design Mistakes of 2002 - http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20021223.html
3. Dive Into Accessibility: Day 16, Not Opening New Windows - http://diveintomark.org/archives/2002/07/01/day_16_not_opening_new_windows.html
4. Dan's Web Tips: Opening New Browser Windows - http://webtips.dantobias.com/new-window.html


>> "For supplemental content" is exactly why we are considering, which you
>> seem
>> to contradict in your second statement.

>> You say they are bad, but yet suggest how do them on your own website
>> under
>> the pop-up windows section: "But if you're using popup windows for
>> supplementary content, you should not use "#" or "javascript:" as your
>> hypertext reference. Use a real link, and set your JavaScript code to
>> "return false". The link will operate properly regardless of scripting
>> support. "

>> ??

>> -mark


>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> To: < <EMAIL REMOVED> >; < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:43 PM
>> Subject: re[2]: opening new browser windows?


>> > No. I cannot elaborate. Please do not mistake my tone, but I really do
>> mean exactly what I've said.
>> > Any new window is bad.
>> >
>> > What is the purpose for a new window?
>> > Potential answers:
>> > 1) "Keep them in my site" - Why? Because they can't find their way back?
>> To annoy them by making them close new windows?
>> > 2) "For supplemental content" - This is clearly an Information
>> Architecture problem. I have seen one supplemental window that I thought
>> was well done - a glossary of terms on a mortgage site.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >> I disagree about the clearness. "Any new window is bad" is not
>> very
>> > >> helpful. Can you elaborate?
>> >
>> > >> -mark
>> >
>> > >> ----- Original Message -----
>> > >> From: < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> > >> To: < <EMAIL REMOVED> >; < <EMAIL REMOVED> >
>> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:03 PM
>> > >> Subject: re: opening new browser windows?
>> >
>> >
>> > >> > I think the guideline is quite clearly worded "do not cause
>> pop-ups or
>> > >> other windows to appear"
>> > >> > Any new window is bad.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >> What is the proper way to handle a link that when clicked,
>> opens a
>> > >> new
>> > >> > >> browser window (target=_blank)? Does it need to be
>> addressed for
>> > >> > >> accessibility and if so, why and how?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >> I have read in the WAI about Checkpoint 10.1 "Until user
>> agents
>> > >> allow
>> > >> > >> users
>> > >> > >> to turn off spawned windows, do not cause pop-ups or other
>> windows
>> > >> to
>> > >> > >> appear
>> > >> > >> and do not change the current window without informing the
>> user.
>> > >> [Priority
>> > >> > >> 2]".
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >> Seems like this only applies to server spawned windows and
>> not
>> > >> user
>> > >> > >> initiated clicking?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > >> TIA,
>> > >> > >> -mark
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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